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From: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@exmulti•com>
Cc: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Punishing empty blocks?
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:00:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAS2fgSEao9VzWJ+7NEfbk8ywGRgQ1WQ=ZVAqFUBfKW-w44c4A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+8xBpfOh-61z_7e1jzz7ZYV4eiCCi=ruQbKBuQp1juuSdYdbQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@exmulti•com> wrote:
> which ones are the lazy miners (> 120 seconds since last block).

It's important to understand the motivations before acting— otherwise
you'll fail to do anything useful.

E.g. if they're empty because some miners want to drive up fees or
fight against the rapidly increasing blockchain size there isn't much
you can do there.

If they're empty because they're mined by botnets which don't have a
local copy of the chain in order to load their victims less (and avoid
central pooling) then you want something like
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68396.0

If they're produced by people who think they gain a mining speed
advantage by not including them then then we need education— dropping
their blocks won't help much: we've seen miners go a month with 100%
of their blocks being orphaned.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-25  1:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-24 16:33 Jeff Garzik
2012-05-24 17:05 ` Arthur Britto
2012-05-24 17:13 ` Joel Joonatan Kaartinen
2012-05-24 17:23   ` Jeff Garzik
2012-05-24 17:27 ` Robert McKay
2012-05-24 18:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2012-05-24 20:31 ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-24 21:00   ` Jeff Garzik
2012-05-25  0:45 ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-25  0:51   ` Jeff Garzik
2012-05-25  0:57     ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-25  1:17       ` Jeff Garzik
2012-05-25  7:47         ` Christian Decker
2012-05-25 13:44           ` Alan Reiner
2012-05-25 14:00             ` Peter Vessenes
2012-05-25  1:00     ` Gregory Maxwell [this message]
2012-05-26  5:03 ` Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
2012-05-26 11:52   ` Stefan Thomas
2012-05-28 14:54     ` Peter Vessenes
     [not found]       ` <1338222334.48856.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
2012-05-28 16:25         ` [Bitcoin-development] Fw: " Amir Taaki
2012-05-29  8:52       ` [Bitcoin-development] " Michael Grønager
2012-05-29 14:47         ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-29 15:05           ` Peter Vessenes
2012-05-29 15:18             ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-29 15:28               ` Peter Vessenes
2012-05-29 15:34                 ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-29 15:36                   ` Peter Vessenes
2012-05-29 15:39                     ` Luke-Jr
2012-05-29 15:45                       ` Peter Vessenes
2012-05-29 16:30     ` Rebroad (sourceforge)
2012-05-29 15:33 ` Gregory Maxwell

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