public inbox for bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph•org>
To: Peter Gray <peter@coinkite•com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 174 thoughts
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:39:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAS2fgTLJQGzE7aHGedug_A5mqw1=Rd_28Ha6YiZ9m26Lyg=ww@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180621195654.GC99379@coinkite.com>

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:56 PM, Peter D. Gray via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> PSBT is something we need, and has been missing from the ecosystem
> for a long time. Let's push this out and start talking about future
> versions after we learn from this one.

When you implement proposals that have little to no public discussion
about them you take the risk that your work needs to be changed when
other people do actually begin reviewing the work.  It is incredibly
demoralizing as a designer and a reviewer to have proposals that were
put out for discussion show up implemented in things with these vested
interests then insisting that they not be refined further.  I think
kind of handling is toxic to performing development in public.

Although it's silly enough that it won't happen, I think our industry
would be better off if there was a social norm that anytime someone
insists an unfinished proposal shouldn't be changed because they
already implemented it that the spec should _always_ be changed, in
order to discourage further instances of that conduct.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-21 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-15 23:34 Pieter Wuille
2018-06-16 15:00 ` Peter D. Gray
2018-06-19  9:38 ` Jonas Schnelli
2018-06-19 14:20 ` matejcik
2018-06-19 15:20   ` Jonas Schnelli
2018-06-21 20:28     ` Peter D. Gray
2018-06-19 17:16   ` Pieter Wuille
2018-06-21 11:29     ` matejcik
2018-06-21 17:39       ` Pieter Wuille
2018-06-21 11:44     ` Tomas Susanka
2018-06-19 14:22 ` matejcik
2018-06-21  0:39 ` Achow101
2018-06-21 14:32   ` Tomas Susanka
2018-06-21 15:40     ` Greg Sanders
2018-06-21 19:56     ` Peter D. Gray
2018-06-21 21:39       ` Gregory Maxwell [this message]
2018-06-22 19:10       ` Pieter Wuille
2018-06-22 22:28         ` Achow101
2018-06-23 17:00           ` William Casarin
2018-06-23 20:33             ` Andrew Chow
2018-06-24  8:19               ` Andrea
2018-06-24  8:28                 ` Andrew Chow
2018-06-24  9:00                   ` Andrea
2018-06-23 18:27           ` Peter D. Gray
2018-06-25 19:47           ` Tomas Susanka
2018-06-25 20:10             ` Jonas Schnelli
2018-06-25 20:30             ` Achow101
2018-06-26 15:33               ` matejcik
2018-06-26 16:58                 ` William Casarin
2018-06-26 17:11                   ` Marek Palatinus
2018-06-27 14:11                   ` matejcik
2018-06-26 20:30                 ` Pieter Wuille
2018-06-27 14:04                   ` matejcik
2018-06-27 15:06                     ` Pieter Wuille
2018-06-29  9:53                       ` matejcik
2018-06-29 19:12                         ` Achow101
2018-06-29 20:31                           ` Peter D. Gray
2018-07-04 13:19                           ` matejcik
2018-07-04 18:35                             ` Achow101
2018-07-05 17:23                               ` Jason Les
2018-07-04 19:09                             ` Pieter Wuille
2018-07-05 11:52                               ` matejcik
2018-07-05 22:06                                 ` Pieter Wuille
2018-07-10 12:10                                   ` matejcik
2018-07-11 18:27                                     ` Pieter Wuille
2018-07-11 20:05                                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2018-07-11 20:54                                         ` [bitcoin-dev] BIP 174 thoughts on graphics vv01f
2018-06-26 21:56                 ` [bitcoin-dev] BIP 174 thoughts Achow101
2018-06-27  6:09                   ` William Casarin
2018-06-27 13:39                     ` Andrea
2018-06-27 17:55                     ` Achow101
2018-06-28 20:42                       ` Rodolfo Novak
2018-07-05 19:20                       ` William Casarin
2018-07-06 18:59                         ` Achow101
2018-06-20  0:39 Jason Les

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAAS2fgTLJQGzE7aHGedug_A5mqw1=Rd_28Ha6YiZ9m26Lyg=ww@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=greg@xiph$(echo .)org \
    --cc=bitcoin-dev@lists$(echo .)linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=peter@coinkite$(echo .)com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox