Yep - similarly: you live in a neighborhood with a local coffee store. Sure you could use a stolen credit card or a fake $5 bill, but it's not worth the risk of being caught for a $3 coffee. And on the other side, the store can deal with 1% of transactions getting reversed or having a fake bill so they don't change their procedures. Perfection is not necessary in all situations. On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Eric Lombrozo wrote: > > > On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Luke Dashjr wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:23:03 AM Aaron Voisine wrote: > >> They don't need to be made cryptographically safe, they just have to be > >> safer than, for instance, credit card payments that can be charged > back. As > >> long as it's reasonably good in practice, that's fine. > > > > They never will be. You can get a decent rate of success merely by > making one > > transaction propagate fast (eg, 1 input, 1 output) and the other slow > (eg, > > 1000 inputs, 1000 outputs) and choosing your peers carefully. The only > reason > > unconfirmed transactions aren't double spent today is because nobody is > > seriously *trying*. > > > > Luke > > > > > Newspapers are often sold in vending machines that make it possible for > anyone to just pay the price of one and take them all…and most of the time > they are not that carefully monitored. Why? Because most people have better > things to do than try to steal a few newspapers. They probably were much > more closely monitored earlier in their history…but once it became clear > that despite the obvious attack vector very few people actually try to game > it, vendors figured it wasn’t really that big a risk. Same thing applies to > people trying to steal a piece of bubble gum at the cash register at a > convenience store by double-spending. > > - Eric Lombrozo > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Bitcoin-development mailing list > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > >