From: "\ Jorge Timón" <jtimonmv@gmail•com>
To: Stephen Pair <stephen@bitpay•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Blocking uneconomical UTXO creation
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:20:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABOyFfrPTYeq-g5tgte2HWfvBiBcRLw_Bvyk_X2hXMWVoW3dgQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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I'm not sure I understand your proposal, but its sounds good.
Can you elaborate with an example?
Are you considering colored coins/smart property?
On 3/13/13, Stephen Pair <stephen@bitpay•com> wrote:
> Instead of thinking in terms of blocking uneconomical transactions (how
> would a node even determine what's economical?), what about thinking in
> terms of paying for a feed of economical (i.e. profitable) transactions?
> There is a market for fee bearing, profitable transactions...if there is no
> one willing to pay to receive a transaction, then no one will bother
> propagating it. Such a system would make it possible to determine the
> probability of confirmation in a given timeframe for a given fee.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 11:31:55PM -0500, Peter Todd wrote:
>> > As discussed endlessly data in the UTXO set is more costly, especially
>> > in the long run, than transaction data itself. The fee system is per KB
>> > in a block, and thus doesn't properly capture the long-term costs of
>> > UTXO creation.
>>
>> There's been a lot of discussion about this issue, and many people have
>> asked that Bitcoin not arbitrarily block interesting potential uses of
>> provably unspendable txouts for data applications, and similarly
>> spendable txouts representing assets. I've changed my hardline position
>> and now think we should support all that stuff. However, there is one
>> remaining class of txout not yet talked about, unspendable but not
>> provably so txouts. For instance we could make the following a standard
>> transaction type:
>>
>> scriptPubKey: OP_HASH160 <20 byte digest> OP_EQUALVERIFY <data>
>> scriptSig: <data>
>>
>> Of course, usually the 20 byte digest would be picked randomly, but it
>> might not be, and thus all validating nodes will always have a copy of
>> the data. With the 10KB limit on script sizes you can fit 9974 bytes of
>> data per transaction output with very little waste.
>>
>> A good application is timestamping, with the advantage over
>> coinbase/merkle tree systems in that you don't have to wait until your
>> timestamp confirms, or even store the timestamp at all. Another
>> application, quite possible with large block sizes and hence cheap or
>> free transactions, is secure data backups. In particular such a service,
>> perhaps called Google Chain Storage, can offer the unique guarantee that
>> you can know you're data is secure by simply performing a successful
>> Bitcoin transaction.
>>
>> --
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>>
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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-10 4:31 Peter Todd
2013-03-11 11:01 ` Jorge Timón
2013-03-11 15:36 ` Gavin Andresen
2013-03-11 16:45 ` Jorge Timón
2013-03-11 16:46 ` Jorge Timón
2013-03-11 16:54 ` Mike Hearn
2013-03-11 17:08 ` Jorge Timón
2013-03-11 18:17 ` Benjamin Lindner
2013-03-11 18:59 ` Mark Friedenbach
2013-03-11 18:59 ` Jorge Timón
2013-03-11 19:08 ` Tadas Varanavičius
2013-03-11 22:19 ` Mike Hearn
2013-03-11 22:25 ` Tadas Varanavičius
2013-03-11 22:39 ` Mike Hearn
2013-03-11 23:26 ` Tadas Varanavičius
2013-03-11 17:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-03-11 20:08 ` Rune Kjær Svendsen
2013-03-11 20:36 ` Michael Gronager
2013-03-11 21:01 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-03-11 21:15 ` Michael Gronager
2013-03-12 7:49 ` Peter Todd
2013-03-13 5:31 ` Stephen Pair
2013-03-13 9:20 ` Jorge Timón [this message]
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