From: "Jorge Timón" <jtimon@jtimon•cc>
To: Milly Bitcoin <milly@bitcoins•info>
Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Process and Votes
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:28:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABm2gDojz6PHdRKxRkMZh-gfYLdcekVfeQMz5r_4EYc-j5tn+w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <558D46EC.6050300@bitcoins.info>
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Milly Bitcoin <milly@bitcoins•info> wrote:
> Without looking up specific links I am confident people like Mircea Popescu
> will oppose just about any change. Maybe they don't post their objection to
> Github but the point I am making is that no matter what change you make
> someone, somewhere will be against it. Some of the developers think that
> Github is the only place that matters and that the only opinions that matter
> is a tiny group of insiders. I don't think that way which is the reasoning
> behind my statement.
Yes, I understand that it may be difficult to define
"uncontroversial", as I explain in
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/008936.html
> I have seen things like a Github discussion between 3 or 4 people
> and then Garzik send out a tweet that there is near universal approval for
> the proposed change as it nobody is allowed to question it. After watching
> the github process for a couple years I simply don't trust it because the
> developers in charge have a dictatorial style and they shut out many
> stakeholders instead of soliciting their opinions.
Can you provide anything to back your claim?
Note that even if that's true, still, Bitcoin core != Bitcoin consensus rules.
> I view the Github system
> as the biggest centralized choke-point in Bitcoin and probably its biggest
> threat to its continued survival. Anyone can come in and hire a couple core
> developers and veto any change they don't want.
Well, yes, github is centralized and so it is bitcoin core development.
But bitcoin core developers don't decide hardfork changes.
So far, softfork changes have been made because they have been
considered "uncontroversial", not because there's any centralized
negotiating table or voting process to decide when to force every user
to adapt their software to new consensus rules.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-06-27 11:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-25 3:00 Raystonn
2015-06-25 3:19 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-26 11:13 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-26 12:34 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-27 11:28 ` Jorge Timón [this message]
2015-06-27 12:50 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-28 12:30 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-28 13:13 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-28 15:35 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-28 16:23 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-28 19:05 ` Patrick Murck
2015-06-28 20:10 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-28 20:16 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-28 20:26 ` Ricardo Filipe
2015-06-28 21:00 ` Adam Back
2015-06-29 0:13 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-29 0:23 ` Andrew Lapp
2015-06-29 1:11 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-28 23:52 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-28 20:21 ` NxtChg
2015-06-25 19:03 ` Tom Harding
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-06-25 3:53 Raystonn
2015-06-25 0:18 Raystonn
2015-06-24 23:41 Raystonn
2015-06-24 23:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-25 0:11 ` Bryan Bishop
2015-06-25 0:21 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 0:07 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 1:50 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-25 2:30 ` Alex Morcos
2015-06-25 2:34 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 5:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-25 5:41 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 6:06 ` Pindar Wong
2015-06-25 6:15 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-25 6:16 ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-06-25 6:27 ` Pindar Wong
2015-06-25 7:51 ` cipher anthem
2015-06-25 10:09 ` nxtchg
2015-06-25 12:42 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 20:05 ` Tier Nolan
2015-06-26 0:42 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-07-01 22:34 ` odinn
2015-06-25 3:42 ` Gareth Williams
2015-06-25 4:10 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 13:36 ` s7r
2015-06-25 13:41 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-25 13:51 ` s7r
2015-06-25 14:08 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-25 17:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-25 17:29 ` Milly Bitcoin
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