* [bitcoin-dev] Improvement on Blockbuilding
@ 2021-05-25 14:27 Murch
2021-05-29 6:32 ` Antoine Riard
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From: Murch @ 2021-05-25 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-dev; +Cc: clara
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Hi Bitcoin Devs,
We are writing to share with you a suggested improvement to the current
bitcoin core block building algorithm. In short, currently Bitcoin Core
uses a straightforward greedy algorithm which evaluates each
transaction’s effective fee rate in the context of its unconfirmed
ancestors. This overlooks situations in which multiple descendant
transactions could be grouped with their shared ancestors to form a more
attractive transaction set for block inclusion.
For example, if we have 4 transactions A,B,C, and D, with fee rates and
weights as follows
Tx Fee Weight
A 5 1
B 10 1
C 15 1
D 14 1
And dependencies:
• B is a descendant of A
• C is a descendant of B
• D is a descendant of A
The current algorithm will consider {A,B,C} best which has an effective
fee rate of 10. Our suggested algorithm will also consider {A,B,C,D},
which has an effective fee rate of 11.
Experimental data shows that our suggested algorithm did better on more
than 94% of blocks (99% for times of high congestion). We have also
compared the results to CBC and SAT Linear Programming solvers. The LP
solvers did slightly better, at the price of longer running times. Greg
Maxwell has also studied LP solvers in the past, and his results suggest
that better running times are possible.
The full details are given in this document, and we are happy to hear
any comment, critic or suggestion!
Best,
Mark and Clara
Full details:
https://gist.github.com/Xekyo/5cb413fe9f26dbce57abfd344ebbfaf2#file-candidate-set-based-block-building-md
Research Code:
https://github.com/Xekyo/blockbuilding
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Improvement on Blockbuilding
2021-05-25 14:27 [bitcoin-dev] Improvement on Blockbuilding Murch
@ 2021-05-29 6:32 ` Antoine Riard
2021-05-29 15:04 ` Jorge Timón
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Antoine Riard @ 2021-05-29 6:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Murch, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion; +Cc: clara
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Hi Mark and Clara,
Great research, thanks for it!
Few questions out of mind after a first read.
> This approach enables block building to consider Child Pays For Parent
(CPFP) constellations.
I think that's a really interesting point, it's likely that such
transaction graphs with multiple disjunctive branches become far more
regular in the future. One can think about OP_CTV's style
congestion-tree, LN's splicing or chain of coinjoins. If this phenomenon
happens, can you expect CSB feerate perf to improve ?
> CSB is more complex and requires more computation
Let's say a malicious miner identifies and connects to its competitors'
mempools then starts to broadcast to them hard-to-traverse CPFP
constellations. Doing so, this malicious miner would prevent them either
from assembling block templates at all or slow down their assemblage
computation enough to gain an advantage in fee collection. Following
current mempools limits, it would be relevant to know by how much CSB makes
that kind of DoS possible/efficient.
> From the point of view of global blockspace demand, if miners generally
became DPFA-sensitive,
it could encourage creation of additional transactions for the sole purpose
of bumping stuck ancestors.
As ASB's ancestor set and CSB's candidate set, a fee bidder, we'll have to
pay the feerate to cover the new transaction fields, high enough to catch
up with the already-present feerate set ? Likely more feerate efficient to
RBF the first child, though you have to swallow the replacement feerate
penalty (default 1 sat/vbyte iirc)
Antoine
Le mar. 25 mai 2021 à 10:34, Murch via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :
> Hi Bitcoin Devs,
>
> We are writing to share with you a suggested improvement to the current
> bitcoin core block building algorithm. In short, currently Bitcoin Core
> uses a straightforward greedy algorithm which evaluates each
> transaction’s effective fee rate in the context of its unconfirmed
> ancestors. This overlooks situations in which multiple descendant
> transactions could be grouped with their shared ancestors to form a more
> attractive transaction set for block inclusion.
>
> For example, if we have 4 transactions A,B,C, and D, with fee rates and
> weights as follows
>
> Tx Fee Weight
> A 5 1
> B 10 1
> C 15 1
> D 14 1
>
> And dependencies:
> • B is a descendant of A
> • C is a descendant of B
> • D is a descendant of A
> The current algorithm will consider {A,B,C} best which has an effective
> fee rate of 10. Our suggested algorithm will also consider {A,B,C,D},
> which has an effective fee rate of 11.
>
> Experimental data shows that our suggested algorithm did better on more
> than 94% of blocks (99% for times of high congestion). We have also
> compared the results to CBC and SAT Linear Programming solvers. The LP
> solvers did slightly better, at the price of longer running times. Greg
> Maxwell has also studied LP solvers in the past, and his results suggest
> that better running times are possible.
>
> The full details are given in this document, and we are happy to hear
> any comment, critic or suggestion!
>
> Best,
> Mark and Clara
>
> Full details:
>
> https://gist.github.com/Xekyo/5cb413fe9f26dbce57abfd344ebbfaf2#file-candidate-set-based-block-building-md
>
> Research Code:
> https://github.com/Xekyo/blockbuilding
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Improvement on Blockbuilding
2021-05-29 6:32 ` Antoine Riard
@ 2021-05-29 15:04 ` Jorge Timón
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Jorge Timón @ 2021-05-29 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Antoine Riard, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion; +Cc: clara
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Sounds really interesting, thanks. Making CPFP reliable would be very nice
in my opinion.
On Sat, May 29, 2021, 14:24 Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Hi Mark and Clara,
>
> Great research, thanks for it!
>
> Few questions out of mind after a first read.
>
> > This approach enables block building to consider Child Pays For Parent
> (CPFP) constellations.
>
> I think that's a really interesting point, it's likely that such
> transaction graphs with multiple disjunctive branches become far more
> regular in the future. One can think about OP_CTV's style
> congestion-tree, LN's splicing or chain of coinjoins. If this phenomenon
> happens, can you expect CSB feerate perf to improve ?
>
> > CSB is more complex and requires more computation
>
> Let's say a malicious miner identifies and connects to its competitors'
> mempools then starts to broadcast to them hard-to-traverse CPFP
> constellations. Doing so, this malicious miner would prevent them either
> from assembling block templates at all or slow down their assemblage
> computation enough to gain an advantage in fee collection. Following
> current mempools limits, it would be relevant to know by how much CSB makes
> that kind of DoS possible/efficient.
>
> > From the point of view of global blockspace demand, if miners generally
> became DPFA-sensitive,
> it could encourage creation of additional transactions for the sole
> purpose of bumping stuck ancestors.
>
> As ASB's ancestor set and CSB's candidate set, a fee bidder, we'll have to
> pay the feerate to cover the new transaction fields, high enough to catch
> up with the already-present feerate set ? Likely more feerate efficient to
> RBF the first child, though you have to swallow the replacement feerate
> penalty (default 1 sat/vbyte iirc)
>
> Antoine
>
> Le mar. 25 mai 2021 à 10:34, Murch via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :
>
>> Hi Bitcoin Devs,
>>
>> We are writing to share with you a suggested improvement to the current
>> bitcoin core block building algorithm. In short, currently Bitcoin Core
>> uses a straightforward greedy algorithm which evaluates each
>> transaction’s effective fee rate in the context of its unconfirmed
>> ancestors. This overlooks situations in which multiple descendant
>> transactions could be grouped with their shared ancestors to form a more
>> attractive transaction set for block inclusion.
>>
>> For example, if we have 4 transactions A,B,C, and D, with fee rates and
>> weights as follows
>>
>> Tx Fee Weight
>> A 5 1
>> B 10 1
>> C 15 1
>> D 14 1
>>
>> And dependencies:
>> • B is a descendant of A
>> • C is a descendant of B
>> • D is a descendant of A
>> The current algorithm will consider {A,B,C} best which has an effective
>> fee rate of 10. Our suggested algorithm will also consider {A,B,C,D},
>> which has an effective fee rate of 11.
>>
>> Experimental data shows that our suggested algorithm did better on more
>> than 94% of blocks (99% for times of high congestion). We have also
>> compared the results to CBC and SAT Linear Programming solvers. The LP
>> solvers did slightly better, at the price of longer running times. Greg
>> Maxwell has also studied LP solvers in the past, and his results suggest
>> that better running times are possible.
>>
>> The full details are given in this document, and we are happy to hear
>> any comment, critic or suggestion!
>>
>> Best,
>> Mark and Clara
>>
>> Full details:
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/Xekyo/5cb413fe9f26dbce57abfd344ebbfaf2#file-candidate-set-based-block-building-md
>>
>> Research Code:
>> https://github.com/Xekyo/blockbuilding
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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