Re: [bitcoin-dev] Consensus protocol immutability is a feature

From: "Jorge Timón" <jtimon@jtimon•cc>
To: "Raystonn ." <raystonn@hotmail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Consensus protocol immutability is a feature
Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 21:35:03 +0100	[thread overview]
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Hardforks can be useful too.
But, yes, I agree softforks are preferable whenever possible.

On Sat, May 22, 2021, 20:55 Raystonn . <raystonn@hotmail•com> wrote:

> None of these required a hard fork.  I should rephrase my previous email
> to clarify the intended topic as hard consensus changes, requiring a hard
> fork.  "Soft" forks can be useful.
>
> Raystonn
>
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> *From:* Jorge Timón <jtimon@jtimon•cc>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:55 AM
> *To:* Raystonn . <raystonn@hotmail•com>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Consensus protocol immutability is a feature
>
> That is clearly not true. People entretain making changes to the protocol
> all the time. Bitcoin is far from perfect and not improving it would be
> stupid in my opinion.
> Some improvements require changes to the consensus rules.
> Recent changes include relative lock time verify or segwit. These are
> important changes that made things like lightning much easier and efficient
> than they could possibly be without them.
> Taproot, which is a recent proposal, could help simplify the lightning
> protocol even further, and make it more efficient and its usage more
> private. And there are more use cases.
>
> There have been consensus rule changes since bitcoin started, and with
> good reason. As a user, you can always oppose new changes. And if enough
> users agree with you, you will be able to maintain your own chain with the
> old rules. At the same time, there's nothing you can do to stop other users
> who want those changes from coordinating with each other to adopt them.
>
> Perhaps you're interested in bip99, which discusses consensus rule changes
> in more detail.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021, 13:09 Raystonn . via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Suggestions to make changes to Bitcoin's consensus protocol will only ever
> be entertained if Bitcoin is completely dead without such a change.  Any
> attempt to change consensus protocol without a clear and convincing
> demonstration to the entire network of participants that Bitcoin will die
> without that change is a waste of your own time.  Bitcoin's resistance to
> consensus changes is a feature that makes it resistant to being coopted and
> corrupted.  I recommend developers focus on making improvements that do not
> attempt to change the consensus protocol.  Otherwise, you are simply
> working on an altcoin, which is off-topic here.
>
> Raystonn
>
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