What is ST? If it may be a reason to oppose CTV, why not talk about it more explicitly so that others can understand the criticisms?
It seems that criticism isn't really that welcomed and is just explained away.
Perhaps it is just my subjective perception.
Sometimes it feels we're going from "don't trust, verify" to "just trust jeremy rubin", i hope this is really just my subjective perception. Because I think it would be really bad that we started to blindly trust people like that, and specially jeremy.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 00:37 Jeremy Rubin via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Notes:

1) Sapio Updates

Sapio has Experimental Taproot Support now.
See logs for how to help.
Rust-bitcoin can also use your help reviewing, e.g. https://github.com/rust-bitcoin/rust-miniscript/pull/305
Adding MuSig support for the oracle servers would be really cool, if someone wants a challenge.

2) Transaction Sponsors

What sponsors are vs. RBF/CPFP.
Why there's not a BIP # assigned (despite it being written up as a BIP+impl in https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2020-September/018168.html, should only get a number if it seems like people agree).

3) James' Vaults Post

James' vaults are similar to prior art on recursive CTV vaults (Kanzure's / Jeremy's), where the number of steps = 1.
Actually ends up being a very good design for many custody purposes, might be a good "80% of the benefit 20% of the work" type of thing.
People maybe want different things out of vaults... how customizable must it be?

4) Mailing list be poppin'

Zmn shared a prepared remark which spurred a nice conversation.
General sentiment that we should be careful adding crazy amounts of power, with great power comes great responsibility...
Maybe we shouldn't care though -- don't send to scripts you don't like?
Math is scary -- you can do all sorts of bizarre stuff with more power (e.g., what if you made an EVM inside a bitcoin output).
Things like OP_EVICT should be bounded by design.
Problem X: Infrastructure issue for all more flexible covenants:
   1) generate a transition function you would like
   2) compile it into a script covenant
   3) request the transition/txn you want to have happen
    4) produce a satisifaction of the script covenant for that transaction
   5) prove the transition function *is* what you wanted/secure
Quantifying how hard X is for a given proposal is a good idea.
You can prototype covenants with federations in Sapio pretty easily... more people should try this!

5) General discuss
People suck at naming things... give things more unique names for protocols!
Jeremy will name something the Hot Tub Coin Machine
Some discussion on forking, if theres any kind of consensus forming, doing things like https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018833.html
How much does a shot-on-goal cost / unforced errors of not making an activating client available precluding being able to activate
luke-jr: never ST; ST is a reason enough to oppose CTV
jamesob: <javascript> OP_DOTHETHING

best,

Jeremy

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