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From: "Jorge Timón" <jtimon@jtimon•cc>
To: Mark <mark@friedenbach•org>,
	 Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Daniele Pinna <daniele.pinna@gmail•com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Rebatable fees & incentive-safe fee markets
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 05:55:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABm2gDqmOXGZ_qxyNjFYg8qTRu4Tmo7V+zYZCt0j5RekUNVkWw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABm2gDqXXvNCZ7EyKuwudB5J0YDX7hNnXHPZNxTO0_JsM+yNHg@mail.gmail.com>

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Gmaxwell I think what's new is that in this case, with a single tx you
would take out all txs with fee below 1 btc. With current rules, you would
only remove enoguh txs for that one to fit, not empty the whole block and
mine only a block with that single tx.

On 30 Sep 2017 5:53 am, "Jorge Timón" <jtimon@jtimon•cc> wrote:

> I really don't see how this "outlier behaviour" can be prevented. I think
> it would be the norm even with your proposed "fix". Perhaps I'm missing
> something too.
>
> On 29 Sep 2017 5:24 pm, "Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev" <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> This is correct. Under assumptions of a continuous mempool model however
>> this should be considered the outlier behavior, other than a little bit of
>> empty space at the end, now and then. A maximum fee rate calculated as a
>> filter over past block rates could constrain this outlier behavior from
>> ever happening too.
>>
>> > On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:43 AM, Daniele Pinna <daniele.pinna@gmail•com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe I'm getting this wrong but wouldn't this scheme imply that a
>> miner is incentivized to limit the amount of transactions in a block to
>> capture the maximum fee of the ones included?
>> >
>> > As an example, mined blocks currently carry ~0.8 btc in fees right now.
>> If I were to submit a transaction paying 1 btc in maximal money fees, then
>> the miner would be incentivized to include my transaction alone to avoid
>> that lower fee paying transactions reduce the amount of fees he can earn
>> from my transaction alone. This would mean that I could literally clog the
>> network by paying 1btc every ten minutes.
>> >
>> > Am I missing something?
>> >
>> > Daniele
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>

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-30  3:56 UTC|newest]

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2017-09-29 10:43               ` Daniele Pinna
2017-09-29 12:50                 ` Alex Morcos
2017-09-29 15:22                 ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-30  3:53                   ` Jorge Timón
2017-09-30  3:55                     ` Jorge Timón [this message]
2017-09-30  8:54                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-09-30  0:47                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-09-29  1:06 Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-29  1:53 ` Matt Corallo
2017-09-29  2:09   ` Nathan Wilcox
2017-09-29  2:10   ` Peter Todd
2017-09-29  2:17     ` Nathan Wilcox
2017-09-29  3:30       ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-29  2:02 ` Peter Todd
2017-09-29  2:45   ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-29  3:02     ` Peter Todd
2017-09-29  4:45 ` Anthony Towns

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