From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C73186 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:39:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com (mail-vk0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F6BC165 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkfi73 with SMTP id i73so57605529vkf.2 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j8kogQXz6PLg/NS1TBOGV9D8JHqoA9fIwkovSkupXuw=; b=wofYdfygE+hLdnzZqgpKA7nMvoT8vf8Y01kxhdSF0YeVIl0AKPERR/IfDPsMVq/85R t6CPnVPPUNTwSscavP9xvO5AYtN8V1IjSEFD4rwf90EdKIlgFPznNby/rDJxLD8FY6jn p8V+4+QqtMT6ORG1aVyUL3NgrjcUu8yFC3d2v8AwM+xG3724i2Kor+682EfTWBD9ltz0 4LI7gfaWxvLJaLEmHuIrIKwhI1wlqVCtSl6UE66xZaqTtnC9PqlqbLnQhWhA58eJvWCu vT4h5iYAJiWgeGqcP1Za1vOHHYZf65NP/HXuWrK9d1dl7Q/WHX+GC9yRE4zGKDJyXW8B VALQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.94.42 with SMTP id cz10mr2492297vdb.22.1439829552253; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.109.134 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ahmed Zsales To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cf70ffd02d051d84702f X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:39:13 -0000 --20cf3071cf70ffd02d051d84702f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and transactions fees. BIP [104] is currently a discussion draft only. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=sharing Views and feedback welcome. Regards, Ahmed --20cf3071cf70ffd02d051d84702f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining= rewards and transactions fees.

BIP [104] is cu= rrently a discussion draft only.=C2=A0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRk= c01QUGc/view?usp=3Dsharing

Views and feedback welcome.

Regards,

Ahmed
--20cf3071cf70ffd02d051d84702f-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BE6371 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:52:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com (mail-io0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B80ADEB for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iodt126 with SMTP id t126so158896827iod.2 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:52:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=HgSs14/6AekqQLC9GGFMqi+TXItAjKS7vYF98YJSF/g=; b=VUWOxPa55hU3LeEd2n/xUs0dC8WIllqDmIMOwl6mvrkZIuQ1Mdbvjsx/YZJKdOaVLp nEhyeI5ncFMrUSLKjGpHrCIcjOvArtjGT/FN0sQHkHdzLW0p1ezoePglZNv7P1eWscne G4m5OFPfQdJC5EiRPRupRHuyvsGPYeghAg+rjGuyWCEUU/TamKZXBPqSMlJX5DzPgKT4 T20X979j9IXhEb1YDVHvkJ33leOLSs0MUL7UZHlkQe7CDGB5Rk+I82ZengraSViCESP6 78pIU6GiGoGg7U2m7Hr31H3brPYkIKnIZkGiJR5R4RS4QWycGBH7SD36s/3CkhF1hVDb KbfQ== X-Received: by 10.107.157.1 with SMTP id g1mr2147560ioe.38.1439830343242; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:52:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.122.144 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Angel Leon Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:52:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ahmed Zsales Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141bb48255cca051d84a001 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:52:24 -0000 --001a1141bb48255cca051d84a001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >"By increasing the size of blocks, transaction fees may not be available to supplement mining revenue and so those who do not have access to cheap or free power to mine;" why? wouldn't a bigger block size actually allow for more transactions per block, therefore more fees to be collected, and the cost spread out among many more users (thus still keeping tx fees low). If anything, wouldn't bigger blocksizes are needed to suplement the losses of coinbase rewards being halfed. http://twitter.com/gubatron On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello, > > Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and > transactions fees. > > BIP [104] is currently a discussion draft only. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=sharing > > Views and feedback welcome. > > Regards, > > Ahmed > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --001a1141bb48255cca051d84a001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>"By increasing the size of blocks, transaction fe= es may not be available to supplement mining revenue and so those who do no= t have access to cheap or free power to mine;"

why?
wouldn&#= 39;t a bigger block size actually allow for more transactions per block, th= erefore more fees to be collected, and the cost spread out among many more = users (thus still keeping tx fees low). If anything, wouldn't bigger bl= ocksizes are needed to suplement the losses of coinbase rewards being halfe= d.


On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Ahmed Zsal= es via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.= org> wrote:
Hello,

Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and tr= ansactions fees.

BIP [104] is currently a discu= ssion draft only.=C2=A0
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?us= p=3Dsharing

Views and feedback welcome.

Regards,

Ahmed

_______________________________________________
bitcoin-dev mailing list
bitcoin-dev@lists.= linuxfoundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev


--001a1141bb48255cca051d84a001-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDD5D7D for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:03:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D5E610E for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lahi9 with SMTP id i9so82851881lah.2 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rNKnadotme+MXQYGJFkZo+niDAsxsE0/7mDBiFORLLs=; b=TB6OlWGcqaUTLsvXhlmwyEoVhd5QDfoIdiz6xhwXKpdODMD9VbjUtSnTdXW2i+3v2+ qAYER5epWGseEKzv6gilY+aj6ZBQTk9MXHc2jpb3Ft9LEVPwiMPZrBGT1v3wSCaitkq+ R4YjbSCptK8679CJupDYMeGnWyYFaNKbC+XXOT6ubsOtkRqS+P6c/DCIAcdkk7POj616 ye5eWgpjr5muIT1/w4ZFMFfoEPrbMGbjsz5IHYoJNDFXQ/w3RBrd0qxZqHHcQi6OgnGq gI4XqXH70Eri30pDjK+SNawH9V2VrzVP/XOIIDgoBaCALoezx/giBN7HO1HpFR8QTxxa /j6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlRWjRoNq4n9M6uKlSXgT/oTR5XeIX4XbbRnBbGCspCkC+q6or7zqso8753lLry3LHbcdI9 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.151.178 with SMTP id ur18mr1912754lbb.59.1439830989521; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.15.22 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:03:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:03:09 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: Ahmed Zsales Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:03:11 -0000 Did you self-assigned a bip number? https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0001.mediawiki Anyway, from your document: "The existing (2015) Big Data analysis market is valued at around $125bn according to market research firm IDC. As the Bitcoin block chain replaces existing payment systems and attracts millions or hundreds of millions of users, the intrinsic value of the data in the block chain will increase and be attractive to data analytics businesses and block chain start-ups." Without even entering about details related to technical feasibility, do you realize that you are proposing Bitcoin to become the most orwellian money ever? That this is the opposite of what many proposals and designs like coinjoin try to achieve? I think (hope?) that this idea doesn't have any chance of being accepted by the Bitcoin community. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81F0786 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:16:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ig0-f171.google.com (mail-ig0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22C15EB for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igbjg10 with SMTP id jg10so60832848igb.0 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=E9t1sMlunN6+NEdjnDFY3WukLqpLfnXRigx0MhJT1Wc=; b=EElekJYwvTMgOe1thETPeBA+IX3+STTRIAY4UX36pycHSLAFmrlaZ0HL+IeP/WXv8n x15PHNWJeBbTH2/Eddu7PIzXaIZvh8B1TfANugOq+CfvK2ybh+wbf+lE/pHSzj1BgqqZ 6DlSZ81F3pgDCwFejNd3O0ZE8jT1qzHPSiSo9csacyY8uQPI6TEFZzB5m9R50ciW8MvC Md//yJpPWxP21XV1LiACoToFhUw0ca2tmBIZbcjinNCzb68QM36Hf3BAHC1XalHK1wzV ww0qAq/sT9s/zqh2w2UD/8HIaLpcdzz+rckTCH3ERvYV5tiEqBhhdVAr+82G4wsPTxNJ 6LHQ== X-Received: by 10.50.109.233 with SMTP id hv9mr18533020igb.92.1439831789489; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.122.144 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Angel Leon Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:16:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ahmed Zsales Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122e6bc596fc2051d84f669 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:16:30 -0000 --089e0122e6bc596fc2051d84f669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 so you want us to, (i) at the moment of payment decide wether to pay a tx fee, or to include some data about what the transaction is about... (ii) and (iii) are out of the question as you'd be forcing people to not have privacy, which is one of the main reasons people use bitcoin, just paying like cash. then the rest goes down hill. 1. You want to add more data to a transaction, which would fill blocks even faster. 2. The data will be on the blockchain, why in hell would anybody pay the miners for it when you can just mine it yourself, or pay XYZ online service to give you the tools you mention, and why would XYZ company pay miners for the revenues of such service? because... you want to change the Bitcoin license from MIT to something else? I'm sorry. this is dead on arrival, very unrealistic. Perhaps this will work for some other coin where people accept all these orwellianism from the start. If you think there's much debate about blocksize you've no idea how things would get at the mention of moving away from MIT into some sort of commercial license, that would indeed destroy Bitcoin from being adopted as it would enter into many many conflicts that would render it unusable by lots of organizations. --089e0122e6bc596fc2051d84f669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
so you want us to, (i) at the m= oment of payment decide wether to pay a tx fee, or to include some data abo= ut what the transaction is about...
(ii) and (iii) are out of the questi= on as you'd be forcing people to not have privacy, which is one of the = main reasons people use bitcoin, just paying like cash.

then the res= t goes down hill.

1. You want to add more data to a transaction, whi= ch would fill blocks even faster.

2. Th= e data will be on the blockchain, why in hell would anybody pay the miners = for it when you can just mine it yourself, or pay XYZ online service to giv= e you the tools you mention, and why would XYZ company pay miners for the r= evenues of such service?

because... you want to change the Bitcoin l= icense from MIT to something else?=C2=A0

I'm sorry. this is dead= on arrival, very unrealistic. Perhaps this will work for some other coin w= here people accept all these orwellianism from the start.

If you thi= nk there's much debate about blocksize you've no idea how things wo= uld get at the mention of moving away from MIT into some sort of commercial= license, that would indeed destroy Bitcoin from being adopted as it would = enter into many many conflicts that would render it unusable by lots of org= anizations.



--089e0122e6bc596fc2051d84f669-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63CFE305 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:28:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f50.google.com (mail-vk0-f50.google.com [209.85.213.50]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE735208 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkbf67 with SMTP id f67so58107168vkb.3 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HIPDOO/cMQaAjGOqWyywyP1dnKjuTdz0TQ5XJqeQDxE=; b=u4xYI6rMhRFRJW+8ds2TYKiiinhgGGGeUOFFbUJdk0IZK5zcuEZRxLOjUxN/FFUt87 y/IRekGPNxNScE556F0WHCGvpYLNCb36SmhBW3eBvuiwwDH2LJwz58P+Pl/750JV8tM6 O2TVh+bgnEo109EDsYw3CzYc4vlRP+WIhkELYK5Z7UBaY2chVPLuR0NPBhag0hXiWRDG tRtIe0/QnOIHsEqy9FNt0b5Gy0fUlDonGY43K7JVacGUUhWyUcGCmXm1m/HEvXkGoOUq SBMFN0LYHkX+qfhVAKwhUioUDqnOrJmUOvlVQ1ylxw7QkaDUVgdQhJBR1dT5O6klkQSW jpCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.187.196 with SMTP id fu4mr3153651vdc.33.1439836099221; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.109.134 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:28:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ahmed Zsales To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec548a4e93a9f6f051d85f7b9 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:28:20 -0000 --bcaec548a4e93a9f6f051d85f7b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > @btc Drak, noted, thanks. > > 1. Updated - removed reference to self ascribed [104] > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBX3hCekFRSUVySWs/view?usp=sharing > > > @Angel Leon > > 2. Privacy issues are clearly covered. > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Btc Drak wrote: > >> You cannot assign your own bip numbers. You have to use the form >> BIP-myproposal >> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev < >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and >>> transactions fees. >>> >>> BIP [104] is currently a discussion draft only. >>> >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> Views and feedback welcome. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ahmed >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> >>> >> > --bcaec548a4e93a9f6f051d85f7b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@btc Drak, noted, thanks.

1= . Updated - removed reference to self ascribed [104]



<= /div>
@Angel Leon

2. Privacy issues are clearl= y covered.

<= br>
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Btc Drak <b= tcdrak@gmail.com> wrote:
You cannot assign your own bip numbers. You have to use the = form BIP-myproposal

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin= -dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Hello,

Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining reward= s and transactions fees.
<= br>
BIP [104] is currently= a discussion draft only.=C2=A0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc= /view?usp=3Dsharing

Views and feedback welcome.

Regar= ds,

Ahmed

_______________________________________________
bitcoin-dev mailing list
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https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev




--bcaec548a4e93a9f6f051d85f7b9-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF748892 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:57:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f47.google.com (mail-vk0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 323A08E for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkao123 with SMTP id o123so1600147vka.3 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FoBtm+3yMOfk1lioJtthxHhLe/Ei5uMe+R1rVj4L3/Y=; b=ttBDKwH/37PUhKkZqwZZznbCELG/A0DlK/Ekyssj9y2sxlWbvPfUhCkRYllFman1oJ tD+0O5oasaks9pDnrxMz4brVkEqfDkwcGb2txZwMCXNJVEYBXHxakG+1ZY2BPEqv1a3i wVH0nUx3mgTEjeJd46E4/JEGtT5VrIOIvcS22zluuuLBzlce336QsmwfuJa6WuvYzhEv 4OxN+IyK3HzGJJTjvVMaJTuve+l+cRnuy4I/j6tfIM2fZKf/irmiVbGPWWmryoCGuEaR V9iH9aIRpQCecZSoLsYKunIfHOmG7D4SaCvoyu6g5YeWIH+P/aelJelCU/WfgWDzTcxJ uIBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.113.5 with SMTP id iu5mr4890464vdb.49.1439855872347; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.109.134 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:57:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ahmed Zsales To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec547cb0fcc94e8051d8a91b5 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, LOTS_OF_MONEY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:57:53 -0000 --bcaec547cb0fcc94e8051d8a91b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 While Peter Todd's public mention on social media was likely meant to be disparaging, I'll take the contribution of adding 'data mining' to the title in future updates of the draft - thank you. It might be ironic that he posted the remark on Twitter, where his message will be aggregated and sold by twitter to data miners. Twitter made $48m last year from selling data to data miners, at a 95% growth rate on year-on-year basis. It has since spent $130m on buying a data mining business who specialise in understanding how to mine data in order to grow this part of their business. It is one of their more profitable sideshows. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Btc Drak wrote: > You didnt reply to the list, I had emailed you privately. > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Ahmed Zsales > wrote: > > @btc Drak, noted, thanks. > > > > 1. Updated - removed reference to self ascribed [104] > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBX3hCekFRSUVySWs/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > @Angel Leon > > > > 2. Privacy issues are clearly covered. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Btc Drak wrote: > >> > >> You cannot assign your own bip numbers. You have to use the form > >> BIP-myproposal > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and > >>> transactions fees. > >>> > >>> BIP [104] is currently a discussion draft only. > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=sharing > >>> > >>> Views and feedback welcome. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Ahmed > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list > >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > >>> > >> > > > --bcaec547cb0fcc94e8051d8a91b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While Peter Todd's public mention on social media was = likely meant to be disparaging, I'll take the contribution of adding &#= 39;data mining' to the title in future updates of the draft - thank you= .

It might be ironic that he posted the remark on Twitte= r, where his message will be aggregated and sold by twitter to data miners.=

Twitter made $48m last year from selling data to = data miners, at a 95% growth rate on year-on-year basis. It has since spent= $130m on buying a data mining business who specialise in understanding how= to mine data in order to grow this part of their business. It is one of th= eir more profitable sideshows.=C2=A0



On Mon, Aug 17= , 2015 at 7:40 PM, Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com> wrote:
You didnt reply to the list, I had emailed you= privately.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Ahmed Zsales <ahmedzsales18@gmail.com> wrote:
> @btc Drak, noted, thanks.
>
> 1. Updated - removed reference to self ascribed [104]
>
> https://drive.go= ogle.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBX3hCekFRSUVySWs/view?usp=3Dsharing
>
>
> @Angel Leon
>
> 2. Privacy issues are clearly covered.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You cannot assign your own bip numbers. You have to use the form >> BIP-myproposal
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitco= in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards= and
>>> transactions fees.
>>>
>>> BIP [104] is currently a discussion draft only.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://= drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=3Dsharing=
>>>
>>> Views and feedback welcome.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmed
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>>> bitco= in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> https://lists.linuxfounda= tion.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>>
>>
>

--bcaec547cb0fcc94e8051d8a91b5-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBA93409 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:01:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f68.google.com (mail-vk0-f68.google.com [209.85.213.68]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A64411E for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkd66 with SMTP id 66so3057160vkd.2 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cGAfYjabAoJEe6HEqEsn1im3NwUmPOPo7nD58gFSgTk=; b=gWn6gbD4mVYjTOSx5ACsEmlpD/fi8beYWh4J0jf/Zxo6gRQeMjtc1+Ug0btV6CNYoj pUcQa4NKcTz6GcUou8Y7LG2lLzt6WYC+NUqwhPW43NAm0vnXgquc2C6zyDkWFBUQJFxl UsxdXH2F4KFVTJNLiUHMdRYLCWI3rPrLubK0IuIaQyzuBXsRJ7wsC2t3A6oehLsz4H6s bWC44mh/FZUa2Vq56JrbwbzIHG48s+hENha9NKe3YqKe5ngLZd9S1AjU437ehxb7/6wj pw4qavhWOuFAmmFm+M2Fuq56umvmJLJs39KAjt1jzCvW6DPwUVkIgvX976CxR9EYE2kf ktsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.243.232 with SMTP id xb8mr16798376vdc.40.1440241270491; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.109.134 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:01:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ahmed Zsales To: Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1d63e518e78051de44db4 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 104: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:01:12 -0000 --001a11c1d63e518e78051de44db4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, In response to public and private comments and feedback, we have updated this working draft. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBOUVtOHJQdlhvUmc/view?usp=sharing Update highlights: 1. Specific clarifications on replacing the Coinbase subsidy and supplementing *and* not replacing transaction fees. 2. Clarification on block chain overhead. The value of data mining is on a bell curve, so year six data will be removed every year. 3. Added references to an ability to create global, national and regional Bitcoin Price Indices for popular baskets of goods transacted with Bitcoin. 4. Added references for an ability to use structured block chain data for Bitcoin capacity and fork planning. 5. Removed references to price speculation. 6. Added preferences for deployment dates of January 2017 or January 2018. 7. Moving towards BIP format after discussion and evaluation period. Technical content will increase in due course and discussion content will be removed. Further views and feedback welcome. Regards, Ahmed On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Ahmed Zsales wrote: > Hello, > > Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and > transactions fees. > > BIP 104 is currently a discussion draft only. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=sharing > > Views and feedback welcome. > > Regards, > > Ahmed > > --001a11c1d63e518e78051de44db4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,=C2=A0

In response to publi= c and private comments and feedback, we have updated this working draft.

Update = highlights:

1. Specific clarifications on replacin= g the Coinbase subsidy and supplementing and not replacing transacti= on fees.

2. Clarification on block chain overhead.= The value of data mining is on a bell curve, so year six data will be remo= ved every year.

3. Added references to an ability = to create global, national and regional Bitcoin Price Indices for popular b= askets of goods transacted with Bitcoin.

4. Added = references for an ability to use structured block chain data for Bitcoin ca= pacity and fork planning.

5. Removed references to= price speculation.

6. Added preferences for deplo= yment dates of January 2017 or January 2018.

7. Mo= ving towards BIP format after discussion and evaluation period. Technical c= ontent will increase in due course and discussion content will be removed.<= /div>

Further views and feedback welcome.
=
Regards,

Ahmed


= On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Ahmed Zsales <ahmedzsales18@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Hello,

Here we propose a long-term solution to replace min= ing rewards and transactions fees.

BIP 104 is curr= ently a discussion draft only.=C2=A0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QU= Gc/view?usp=3Dsharing

Views and feedback welcome= .

Regards,

Ahmed


--001a11c1d63e518e78051de44db4-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D724C884 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:51:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A02FE5 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lalv9 with SMTP id v9so60826645lal.0 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1GyMiuEnlfUOtZbpOoSQI95WNlhQijkohD3hqAOe4ew=; b=RKlHxbRjYH7Zv4bJEalTPsQuA+I3Fq5EIPclCicVDE+z/+FQKIy6h2tta9CWGRwJlL Wj2tw/daJt0VCNOd/m6nNyglEuNMBOQrJUAyjEoG3Wo6bXej4iYCByXR7iYjOUTF5GJL /ZipHyzFIjYwzST9z4u7kFKYnPFueJ2ErgASp2zbdE+D550j/Sx5hGDy1JN9glJ1agqS obmrbUxmWnsx2ai7wfiRpEStU7v5ZHS6XUaFJeWWm6MhEGinioiHY5xuOSFIswa/+MtS M80+oh7Vxuqoi1s+dZ0tUCihMLijCoJOixf0+C+TecdXCcY1t4qSP6QcpbuxWtaTfMwn h05w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnFp9jaq3qSayo3Ap4iXv2B1A1qa2iNmf0OJho9RbZdA8n4e9H8LJoA9SyGHewcdez58zYJ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.172.201 with SMTP id be9mr14611453lbc.39.1440312672499; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.15.22 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:51:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:51:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: Ahmed Zsales Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 104: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:51:15 -0000 Again, did you got a bip number asigned or did you self-assigned it yourself? On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Hello, > > In response to public and private comments and feedback, we have updated > this working draft. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBOUVtOHJQdlhvUmc/view?usp=sharing > > Update highlights: > > 1. Specific clarifications on replacing the Coinbase subsidy and > supplementing and not replacing transaction fees. > > 2. Clarification on block chain overhead. The value of data mining is on a > bell curve, so year six data will be removed every year. > > 3. Added references to an ability to create global, national and regional > Bitcoin Price Indices for popular baskets of goods transacted with Bitcoin. > > 4. Added references for an ability to use structured block chain data for > Bitcoin capacity and fork planning. > > 5. Removed references to price speculation. > > 6. Added preferences for deployment dates of January 2017 or January 2018. > > 7. Moving towards BIP format after discussion and evaluation period. > Technical content will increase in due course and discussion content will be > removed. > > Further views and feedback welcome. > > Regards, > > Ahmed > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Ahmed Zsales > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Here we propose a long-term solution to replace mining rewards and >> transactions fees. >> >> BIP 104 is currently a discussion draft only. >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBSXpoUjRkc01QUGc/view?usp=sharing >> >> Views and feedback welcome. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ahmed >> > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >