Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors

From: Steve Lee <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:11:11 -0700

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:08 PM Ava Chow <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On 04/20/2024 04:46 PM, Steve Lee wrote:
> > Wasn't there evidence provided that Kanzure does not want this
> > responsibility without being paid?
>
> I am not aware of that, and it hasn't come up when I've talked to him
> about being a BIPs editor.
>

You should read this thread then before making a decision.

>
> > I'm confused by this process that we don't even ask the people if they
> > want the responsibility? I think only Laolu has chimed in to commit to
> it?
>
> Personally, I've spoken to all 5 privately and they've all confirmed to
> me that they are willing to be BIPs editors. Jonatack[1] and Murch[2]
> have also replied to this thread about this.

Ok good to know. Would've been nice to share this here so everyone was
aware.

>
> Ava
>
> [1]:
>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/[email-masked]/
> [2]:
>
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/[email-masked]/
>
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:30 PM 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development
> > Mailing List <[email-masked]
> > <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
> >
> >     Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform
> >     everyone of what will happen on Monday.
> >
> >     There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have
> there
> >     been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last
> email.
> >     As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
> >     Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
> >     April 22nd.
> >
> >     Ava
> >
> >     On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing
> List
> >     wrote:
> >      > While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add
> at
> >      > once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of
> the
> >      > nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual
> >      > objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit
> >     objections
> >      > to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't
> share
> >      > their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be
> >     endorsed
> >      > by many others.
> >      >
> >      > Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the
> current
> >      > counts are:
> >      > * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
> >      > * Murch - 13 for
> >      > * Jonatack - 13 for
> >      > * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
> >      > * Roasbeef - 9 for
> >      > * Michael Folkson - none
> >      >
> >      > However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest
> and
> >      > require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this
> >     process
> >      > be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by
> >      > achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any
> of
> >      > these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5
> who
> >      > have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this
> list
> >      > seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone
> >     really
> >      > wants to deal with.
> >      >
> >      > I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have
> >     posted
> >      > on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have
> >     reached out
> >      > to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure
> and
> >      > Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public
> >      > confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not
> >      > received a response from Roasbeef.
> >      >
> >      > Ava
> >      >
> >      > On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
> >      >>   > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this
> >     task, so
> >      >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the
> group
> >      >> majority.
> >      >>
> >      >> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here.
> >     Having
> >      >> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in
> >     which people
> >      >> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not
> >     end up
> >      >> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does
> not
> >      >> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end
> up
> >      >> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far
> >     from
> >      >> their expectations.
> >      >>
> >      >> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better,
> and
> >      >> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and
> >     we need
> >      >> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and
> >     slacking off).
> >      >>
> >      >> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.
> >      >> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on
> >     their track
> >      >> record in the space
> >      >>
> >      >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30 PM nvk <[email-masked]
> >     <mailto:[email-masked]>
> >      >> <mailto:[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>> wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >> +1 for
> >      >> Kanzure
> >      >> RubenSomsen
> >      >> Seccour
> >      >> Jon Atack
> >      >> Roasbeef
> >      >>
> >      >> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> >      >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the
> group
> >      >> majority.
> >      >>
> >      >> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce
> ideas.
> >      >>
> >      >> I'd like to return to that.
> >      >>
> >      >> - NVK (temp gmail account)
> >      >>
> >      >>      On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54 PM UTC-4 David A.
> >     Harding wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >>          On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
> >      >>           > Please provide justification rather than simply
> >     saying "I
> >      >>          like Bob!".
> >      >>
> >      >>          Using only comments from the mailing list, the
> >     following appears
> >      >>          to be
> >      >>          the candidate list along with the current support.
> >     Asterisks denote
> >      >>          candidates who indicated their willingness to accept
> >     the role.
> >      >>
> >      >>          - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1],
> Chris
> >      >>          Stewart[3],
> >      >>          Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10],
> >     Brandon
> >      >>          Black[11],
> >      >>          Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
> >      >>          Carvalho[16]
> >      >>
> >      >>          - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
> >     Stewart[3],
> >      >>          Michael
> >      >>          Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine
> >     Poinsot[15], John
> >      >>          Carvalho[16]
> >      >>
> >      >>          - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris
> >     Stewart[3],
> >      >>          /dev/fd0[5][7],
> >      >>          Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
> >      >>          Carvalho[16]
> >      >>
> >      >>          - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
> >      >>          Stewart[3], John
> >      >>          C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8],
> >     Antoine
> >      >>          Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
> >      >>
> >      >>          - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael
> >     Folkson[6], Keagan
> >      >>          McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11],
> Antoine
> >      >>          Riard[12],
> >      >>          Ava Chow[14]
> >      >>
> >      >>          - Michael Folkson*
> >      >>
> >      >>          Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski
> for
> >      >>          "non-dev
> >      >>          triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP
> >     editor", and
> >      >>          Antoine
> >      >>          Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
> >      >>
> >      >>          I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of
> >     the above
> >      >>          candidates had been especially active there, which is
> >     listed
> >      >>          below as:
> >      >>          total PRs they commented on (number still open/number
> >     closed).
> >      >>
> >      >>          - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
> >      >>          - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
> >      >>          - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
> >      >>          - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
> >      >>          - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
> >      >>          - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
> >      >>
> >      >>          I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the
> >     set to
> >      >>          have a
> >      >>          merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe
> >     there are
> >      >>          far-along
> >      >>          draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen
> (Silent
> >      >>          Payments). I
> >      >>          don't think this should be a requirement, but I do
> think it
> >      >>          demonstrates
> >      >>          familiarity with the process.
> >      >>
> >      >>          Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates
> >     above with
> >      >>          multiple recommendations from other community
> >     participants are
> >      >>          fully
> >      >>          qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
> >      >>          justification
> >      >>          for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not
> >     only a
> >      >>          longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but
> >     (as Corallo
> >      >>          mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology
> >     through a
> >      >>          draft
> >      >>          BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed
> >     review of
> >      >>          all 300
> >      >>          pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and
> has
> >      >>          reviewed
> >      >>          drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both
> cases
> >      >>          significantly improving the accuracy and
> >     comprehensibility of the
> >      >>          documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the
> >     work we'd
> >      >>          ask him
> >      >>          to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that
> >     he's already
> >      >>          doing,
> >      >>          so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
> >      >>
> >      >>          -Dave
> >      >>
> >      >>          [1]
> >      >>
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