From: Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600•com>
To: Lucas Ontivero <lucasontivero@gmail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>,
John Carvalho <john@synonym•to>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A proposal for Full RBF to not exclude Zero Conf use case
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:08:10 +0200 [thread overview]
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This would not effect optinrbf only fullRBF
On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 16:00 Lucas Ontivero <lucasontivero@gmail•com> wrote:
> Some wallets like Electrum would be affected by that because they use RBF
> to batch transactions so, outputs cannot be exactly the same as before.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:09 AM Daniel Lipshitz via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I dont think there was anything technical with the implementation and as
>> far as I can tell this is well developed and ready.
>>
>> The reasons I can find for not being adopted are listed here -
>> https://bitcoincore.org/en/faq/optin_rbf/ under - Why not
>> First-seen-safe Replace-by-fee
>>
>> Those reasons do not seem pertinent here - given OptinRBF already exists
>> as an option and the added benefit of continuing to be able to support
>> 0-conf.
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Daniel Lipshitz
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>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:59 AM John Carvalho <john@synonym•to> wrote:
>>
>>> Why wasn't this solution put in place back then? Are there problems with
>>> the design?
>>>
>>> While I still think there are unhealthy side-effects of Full-RBF (like
>>> more doublespending at unknowing merchants, after years of FSS protection)
>>> I think discussion of this FSS-RBF feature is worth considering.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Carvalho
>>> CEO, Synonym.to <http://synonym.to/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 8:09 AM Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600•com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for bringing that to my attention, apologies for not being
>>>> aware of it.
>>>>
>>>> First-seen-safe replace-by-fee as detailed here
>>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html
>>>> by Peter Todd seems to be a very suitable option and route
>>>> which balances FullRBF while retaining the significant 0-conf use case.
>>>>
>>>> This would seem like a good way forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:20 AM Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch@woobling•org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html
>>>>>
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Daniel Lipshitz
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-13 14:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-11 20:24 Daniel Lipshitz
2022-12-13 4:20 ` Yuval Kogman
2022-12-13 8:08 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2022-12-13 9:59 ` John Carvalho
2022-12-13 11:33 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2022-12-13 14:00 ` Lucas Ontivero
2022-12-13 14:08 ` Daniel Lipshitz [this message]
2022-12-13 21:41 ` Peter Todd
2022-12-13 21:58 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2022-12-16 21:14 ` Peter Todd
2022-12-18 8:06 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2023-01-13 23:53 ` Peter Todd
2023-01-14 20:15 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2023-01-16 10:19 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2023-01-17 17:07 ` Erik Aronesty
2023-01-17 17:27 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2023-02-04 16:27 ` Peter Todd
2023-02-06 12:08 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2022-12-14 8:12 ` Daniel Lipshitz
2022-12-14 17:41 ` Erik Aronesty
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