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* [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
@ 2015-09-18  1:07 Wladimir J. van der Laan
  2015-09-18  2:56 ` Alex Morcos
                   ` (4 more replies)
  0 siblings, 5 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Wladimir J. van der Laan @ 2015-09-18  1:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bitcoin development mailing list; +Cc: Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields

Hello,

At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.

Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that many people are expected to be present and current issues can be discussed.

Any preference for days/times?

What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?

Wladimir


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• * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
    2015-09-18  1:07 [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC Wladimir J. van der Laan
  @ 2015-09-18  2:56 ` Alex Morcos
    2015-09-18  4:19   ` Peter Todd
    2015-09-18  4:30 ` Mark Friedenbach
                     ` (3 subsequent siblings)
    4 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
  From: Alex Morcos @ 2015-09-18  2:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Wladimir J. van der Laan
    Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
  
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  +1
  sounds good to me!
  
  
  
  On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Wladimir J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev <
  bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
  
  > Hello,
  >
  > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer
  > meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
  >
  > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that
  > many people are expected to be present and current issues can be discussed.
  >
  > Any preference for days/times?
  >
  > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
  >
  > Wladimir
  > _______________________________________________
  > bitcoin-dev mailing list
  > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
  > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
  >
  
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• • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
      2015-09-18  2:56 ` Alex Morcos
    @ 2015-09-18  4:19   ` Peter Todd
      0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
    From: Peter Todd @ 2015-09-18  4:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Alex Morcos, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev, Wladimir J. van der Laan
      Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
    
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    On 17 September 2015 19:56:17 GMT-07:00, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
    >+1
    >sounds good to me!
    
    +2
    
    My schedule is chaotic, but I'll try to attend.
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• * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
    2015-09-18  1:07 [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC Wladimir J. van der Laan
    2015-09-18  2:56 ` Alex Morcos
  @ 2015-09-18  4:30 ` Mark Friedenbach
    2015-09-18  4:57 ` Luke Dashjr
                     ` (2 subsequent siblings)
    4 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
  From: Mark Friedenbach @ 2015-09-18  4:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Wladimir J. van der Laan
    Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
  
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  I am unlikely to attend at that time, but there is no time that will fit
  everybody's schedules. I approve of the idea and look forward to reading
  the logs.
  
  On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Wladimir J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev <
  bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
  
  > Hello,
  >
  > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer
  > meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
  >
  > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that
  > many people are expected to be present and current issues can be discussed.
  >
  > Any preference for days/times?
  >
  > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
  >
  > Wladimir
  > _______________________________________________
  > bitcoin-dev mailing list
  > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
  > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
  >
  
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• * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
    2015-09-18  1:07 [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC Wladimir J. van der Laan
    2015-09-18  2:56 ` Alex Morcos
    2015-09-18  4:30 ` Mark Friedenbach
  @ 2015-09-18  4:57 ` Luke Dashjr
    2015-09-18  7:04   ` Jonas Schnelli
    2015-09-18 20:14 ` Matt Corallo
    2015-09-21 13:29 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
    4 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
  From: Luke Dashjr @ 2015-09-18  4:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: bitcoin-dev, Wladimir J. van der Laan; +Cc: Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
  
  On Friday, September 18, 2015 1:07:10 AM Wladimir J. van der Laan via 
  bitcoin-dev wrote:
  > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer
  > meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
  > 
  > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that
  > many people are expected to be present and current issues can be
  > discussed.
  
  I think it's important to make a point that these meetings are for 
  discussions, and explicitly never decisions, to avoid a repeat of the P2SH 
  events when people have to miss it.
  
  > Any preference for days/times?
  > 
  > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
  
  I think I would prefer a bit later, but I could probably make this work. 
  Probably should try to make it more practical for California devs though, 
  since there are a number of them.
  
  Luke
  
  
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• • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
      2015-09-18  4:57 ` Luke Dashjr
    @ 2015-09-18  7:04   ` Jonas Schnelli
      2015-09-18  8:20     ` Eric Lombrozo
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
    From: Jonas Schnelli @ 2015-09-18  7:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: bitcoin-dev
    
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    > On Friday, September 18, 2015 1:07:10 AM Wladimir J. van der Laan
    > via bitcoin-dev wrote:
    >> At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular
    >> developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
    >> 
    >> Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a
    >> time that many people are expected to be present and current
    >> issues can be discussed.
    > 
    > I think it's important to make a point that these meetings are for
    >  discussions, and explicitly never decisions, to avoid a repeat of
    > the P2SH events when people have to miss it.
    > 
    >> Any preference for days/times?
    >> 
    >> What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
    
    +1 for the weekly IRC meetings.
    
    For time and date maybe a Doodle could help:
    http://doodle.com/poll/cihug53sa8u4h2in#table
    
    
    - ---
    jonas
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  • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
        2015-09-18  7:04   ` Jonas Schnelli
      @ 2015-09-18  8:20     ` Eric Lombrozo
        0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
      From: Eric Lombrozo @ 2015-09-18  8:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Jonas Schnelli, Jonas Schnelli via bitcoin-dev, bitcoin-dev
      
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      I love the weekly meeting idea...but timezones might be an issue.
      
      My general preference would be afternoons to late evenings pacific time, but that translates to late night/early morning for those in europe.
      
      On September 18, 2015 12:04:58 AM PDT, Jonas Schnelli via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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      >> On Friday, September 18, 2015 1:07:10 AM Wladimir J. van der Laan
      >> via bitcoin-dev wrote:
      >>> At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular
      >>> developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
      >>> 
      >>> Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a
      >>> time that many people are expected to be present and current
      >>> issues can be discussed.
      >> 
      >> I think it's important to make a point that these meetings are for
      >>  discussions, and explicitly never decisions, to avoid a repeat of
      >> the P2SH events when people have to miss it.
      >> 
      >>> Any preference for days/times?
      >>> 
      >>> What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
      >
      >+1 for the weekly IRC meetings.
      >
      >For time and date maybe a Doodle could help:
      >http://doodle.com/poll/cihug53sa8u4h2in#table
      >
      >
      >- ---
      >jonas
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• * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
    2015-09-18  1:07 [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC Wladimir J. van der Laan
                     ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
    2015-09-18  4:57 ` Luke Dashjr
  @ 2015-09-18 20:14 ` Matt Corallo
    2015-09-18 20:24   ` Btc Drak
    2015-09-21 13:29 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
    4 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
  From: Matt Corallo @ 2015-09-18 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Wladimir J. van der Laan, Bitcoin development mailing list
    Cc: Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
  
  Generally in favor, but for practical purposes can we select a timezone
  that is available in Google Calendar? It appears it does not directly
  support UTC...
  
  On 09/18/15 01:07, Wladimir J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev wrote:
  > Hello,
  > 
  > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
  > 
  > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that many people are expected to be present and current issues can be discussed.
  > 
  > Any preference for days/times?
  > 
  > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
  > 
  > Wladimir
  > _______________________________________________
  > bitcoin-dev mailing list
  > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
  > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
  > 
  
  
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• • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
      2015-09-18 20:14 ` Matt Corallo
    @ 2015-09-18 20:24   ` Btc Drak
      2015-09-18 20:27     ` Matt Corallo
                           ` (2 more replies)
      0 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread
    From: Btc Drak @ 2015-09-18 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Matt Corallo; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
    
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    Google calendar is localised, so it doesn't matter. The problem with
    quoting UTC anyway it the meeting times are going to change for those that
    observe DST. It would be much better to quote an actual timezone of an
    actual area so it will remain constant, like 1700 CEST, or 0900AM PDT for
    example. Otherwise when the clocks change, what was a convenient meeting
    time will become inconvenient for some.
    
    On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev <
    bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
    
    > Generally in favor, but for practical purposes can we select a timezone
    > that is available in Google Calendar? It appears it does not directly
    > support UTC...
    >
    > On 09/18/15 01:07, Wladimir J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev wrote:
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular
    > developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
    > >
    > > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time
    > that many people are expected to be present and current issues can be
    > discussed.
    > >
    > > Any preference for days/times?
    > >
    > > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
    > >
    > > Wladimir
    > > _______________________________________________
    > > bitcoin-dev mailing list
    > > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
    > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
    > >
    > _______________________________________________
    > bitcoin-dev mailing list
    > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
    > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
    >
    
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  • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
        2015-09-18 20:24   ` Btc Drak
      @ 2015-09-18 20:27     ` Matt Corallo
        2015-09-18 20:30       ` Jeffrey Paul
        2015-09-18 20:31       ` Gregory Maxwell
        2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
        2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
        2 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread
      From: Matt Corallo @ 2015-09-18 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Btc Drak; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
      
      Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the timezone
      of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we should
      use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as everyone else
      - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
      
      On 09/18/15 20:24, Btc Drak wrote:
      > Google calendar is localised, so it doesn't matter. The problem with
      > quoting UTC anyway it the meeting times are going to change for those
      > that observe DST. It would be much better to quote an actual timezone of
      > an actual area so it will remain constant, like 1700 CEST, or 0900AM PDT
      > for example. Otherwise when the clocks change, what was a convenient
      > meeting time will become inconvenient for some.
      > 
      > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
      > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
      > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
      > 
      >     Generally in favor, but for practical purposes can we select a timezone
      >     that is available in Google Calendar? It appears it does not directly
      >     support UTC...
      > 
      >     On 09/18/15 01:07, Wladimir J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev wrote:
      >     > Hello,
      >     >
      >     > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular
      >     developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
      >     >
      >     > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a
      >     time that many people are expected to be present and current issues
      >     can be discussed.
      >     >
      >     > Any preference for days/times?
      >     >
      >     > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
      >     >
      >     > Wladimir
      >     > _______________________________________________
      >     > bitcoin-dev mailing list
      >     > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
      >     <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
      >     > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
      >     >
      >     _______________________________________________
      >     bitcoin-dev mailing list
      >     bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
      >     <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
      >     https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
      > 
      > 
      
      
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    • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
          2015-09-18 20:27     ` Matt Corallo
        @ 2015-09-18 20:30       ` Jeffrey Paul
          2015-09-18 20:34         ` Matt Corallo
          2015-09-18 20:31       ` Gregory Maxwell
          1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
        From: Jeffrey Paul @ 2015-09-18 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Matt Corallo; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
        
        
        > On 18 Sep 2015, at 22:27, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
        > 
        > Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the timezone
        > of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we should
        > use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as everyone else
        > - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
        
        According to this post, it is possible to configure Google Calendar to show an additional time zone to your localized one, and GMT/UTC is indeed in the list.
        
            https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/calendar/y6uaiAdZrIg
        
        -jp
        
        --
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      • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
            2015-09-18 20:30       ` Jeffrey Paul
          @ 2015-09-18 20:34         ` Matt Corallo
            0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
          From: Matt Corallo @ 2015-09-18 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Jeffrey Paul; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
          
          I believe that is out of date. I see neither UTC nor GMT on the website nor on Android.
          
          Matt
          
          On September 18, 2015 4:30:23 PM EDT, Jeffrey Paul <jp@eeqj•com> wrote:
          >
          >> On 18 Sep 2015, at 22:27, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
          ><bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
          >> 
          >> Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the
          >timezone
          >> of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we
          >should
          >> use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as everyone
          >else
          >> - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
          >
          >According to this post, it is possible to configure Google Calendar to
          >show an additional time zone to your localized one, and GMT/UTC is
          >indeed in the list.
          >
          >    https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/calendar/y6uaiAdZrIg
          >
          >-jp
          >
          >--
          >Jeffrey Paul                                                      EEQJ
          >jp@eeqj•com                                           https://eeqj.com
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      • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
          2015-09-18 20:27     ` Matt Corallo
          2015-09-18 20:30       ` Jeffrey Paul
        @ 2015-09-18 20:31       ` Gregory Maxwell
          2015-09-18 20:34         ` Btc Drak
          2015-09-18 20:36         ` Matt Corallo
          1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread
        From: Gregory Maxwell @ 2015-09-18 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Matt Corallo; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
        
        On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
        <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
        > Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the timezone
        > of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we should
        > use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as everyone else
        > - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
        
        uh. There is fairly little global consistency in DST usage. Lots of
        places do dst on different dates.
        
        So if it's in some DST timezone it's likely to move twice each change
        for some subset of the people who do it.
        
        E.g. europe and US end DST one week apart.
        
        
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      • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
            2015-09-18 20:31       ` Gregory Maxwell
          @ 2015-09-18 20:34         ` Btc Drak
            2015-09-21 13:01           ` jl2012
            2015-09-18 20:36         ` Matt Corallo
            1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
          From: Btc Drak @ 2015-09-18 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Gregory Maxwell
            Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
          
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          Urgh... Can we hardfork time? It's clearly in need of an upgrade...
          
          On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com> wrote:
          
          > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
          > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
          > > Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the timezone
          > > of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we should
          > > use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as everyone else
          > > - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
          >
          > uh. There is fairly little global consistency in DST usage. Lots of
          > places do dst on different dates.
          >
          > So if it's in some DST timezone it's likely to move twice each change
          > for some subset of the people who do it.
          >
          > E.g. europe and US end DST one week apart.
          >
          
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        • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
              2015-09-18 20:34         ` Btc Drak
            @ 2015-09-21 13:01           ` jl2012
              0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
            From: jl2012 @ 2015-09-21 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: Btc Drak; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
            
            It is possible to softfork. Just use Iceland time. Iceland time = UTC 
            without DST
            
            Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-09-18 16:34 寫到:
            > Urgh... Can we hardfork time? It's clearly in need of an upgrade...
            > 
            > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com>
            > wrote:
            > 
            >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
            >> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
            >>> Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the
            >> timezone
            >>> of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we
            >> should
            >>> use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as
            >> everyone else
            >>> - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
            >> 
            >> uh. There is fairly little global consistency in DST usage. Lots of
            >> places do dst on different dates.
            >> 
            >> So if it's in some DST timezone it's likely to move twice each
            >> change
            >> for some subset of the people who do it.
            >> 
            >> E.g. europe and US end DST one week apart.
            > 
            > 
            > _______________________________________________
            > bitcoin-dev mailing list
            > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
            > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
            
            
            
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        • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
            2015-09-18 20:31       ` Gregory Maxwell
            2015-09-18 20:34         ` Btc Drak
          @ 2015-09-18 20:36         ` Matt Corallo
            1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
          From: Matt Corallo @ 2015-09-18 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Gregory Maxwell
            Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
          
          Yes, I'm aware, however they are closer to each other than UTC is to either :p.
          
          On September 18, 2015 4:31:28 PM EDT, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com> wrote:
          >On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
          ><bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
          >> Google Calendar is localized, but has an option to change the
          >timezone
          >> of an event, it just doesnt have UTC in its options. So, yes, we
          >should
          >> use something that observes DST in roughly the same way as everyone
          >else
          >> - CEST/PDT/EST/etc.
          >
          >uh. There is fairly little global consistency in DST usage. Lots of
          >places do dst on different dates.
          >
          >So if it's in some DST timezone it's likely to move twice each change
          >for some subset of the people who do it.
          >
          >E.g. europe and US end DST one week apart.
          
          
          
          ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread

    • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
        2015-09-18 20:24   ` Btc Drak
        2015-09-18 20:27     ` Matt Corallo
      @ 2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
        2015-09-18 23:29       ` Dave Scotese
        2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
        2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
      From: Luke Dashjr @ 2015-09-18 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: bitcoin-dev, Btc Drak; +Cc: Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
      
      On Friday, September 18, 2015 8:24:50 PM Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev wrote:
      > Google calendar is localised, so it doesn't matter. The problem with
      > quoting UTC anyway it the meeting times are going to change for those that
      > observe DST. It would be much better to quote an actual timezone of an
      > actual area so it will remain constant, like 1700 CEST, or 0900AM PDT for
      > example. Otherwise when the clocks change, what was a convenient meeting
      > time will become inconvenient for some.
      
      Not everyone does crazy clock-changing. Using such a time system for 
      scheduling seems to inconvenience the wrong position. (although perhaps 
      arguably better since most people probably use DST) :p
      
      (Aside, if Google Calendar can't support standard UTC, that sounds like an 
      argument against using Google Calendar...)
      
      > Urgh... Can we hardfork time? It's clearly in need of an upgrade...
      
      Tonal time works nice any consistently. :D
      
      Luke
      
      
      ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread

    • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
          2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
        @ 2015-09-18 23:29       ` Dave Scotese
          0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
        From: Dave Scotese @ 2015-09-18 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Luke Dashjr; +Cc: Bitcoin Dev, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
        
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        I am in a timezone that uses DST (currently PDT), but I would like us to
        use a timezone that does NOT use DST.  It will be nice to have something
        that reflects the seasonal patterns like my own body does.  I hate the time
        change in both ways.
        
        On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
        bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
        
        > On Friday, September 18, 2015 8:24:50 PM Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev wrote:
        > > Google calendar is localised, so it doesn't matter. The problem with
        > > quoting UTC anyway it the meeting times are going to change for those
        > that
        > > observe DST. It would be much better to quote an actual timezone of an
        > > actual area so it will remain constant, like 1700 CEST, or 0900AM PDT for
        > > example. Otherwise when the clocks change, what was a convenient meeting
        > > time will become inconvenient for some.
        >
        > Not everyone does crazy clock-changing. Using such a time system for
        > scheduling seems to inconvenience the wrong position. (although perhaps
        > arguably better since most people probably use DST) :p
        >
        > (Aside, if Google Calendar can't support standard UTC, that sounds like an
        > argument against using Google Calendar...)
        >
        > > Urgh... Can we hardfork time? It's clearly in need of an upgrade...
        >
        > Tonal time works nice any consistently. :D
        >
        > Luke
        > _______________________________________________
        > bitcoin-dev mailing list
        > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
        > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
        >
        
        
        
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        techie?
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        <http://www.memeracing.net> (in alpha).
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    • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
        2015-09-18 20:24   ` Btc Drak
        2015-09-18 20:27     ` Matt Corallo
        2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
      @ 2015-09-18 21:50     ` Luke Dashjr
        2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
      From: Luke Dashjr @ 2015-09-18 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: bitcoin-dev, Btc Drak; +Cc: Cory Fields, Pieter Wuille
      
      On Friday, September 18, 2015 8:24:50 PM Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev wrote:
      > Google calendar is localised, so it doesn't matter. The problem with
      > quoting UTC anyway it the meeting times are going to change for those that
      > observe DST. It would be much better to quote an actual timezone of an
      > actual area so it will remain constant, like 1700 CEST, or 0900AM PDT for
      > example. Otherwise when the clocks change, what was a convenient meeting
      > time will become inconvenient for some.
      
      Not everyone does crazy clock-changing. Using such a time system for 
      scheduling seems to inconvenience the wrong position. (although perhaps 
      arguably better since most people probably use DST) :p
      
      (Aside, if Google Calendar can't support standard UTC, that sounds like an 
      argument against using Google Calendar...)
      
      > Urgh... Can we hardfork time? It's clearly in need of an upgrade...
      
      Tonal time works nice and consistently. :D
      
      Luke
      
      
      ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread

• * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
    2015-09-18  1:07 [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC Wladimir J. van der Laan
                     ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
    2015-09-18 20:14 ` Matt Corallo
  @ 2015-09-21 13:29 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
    2015-09-21 13:51   ` gb
    4 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
  From: Wladimir J. van der Laan @ 2015-09-21 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Bitcoin development mailing list; +Cc: Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
  
  On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 03:07:10AM +0200, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote:
  > Hello,
  > 
  > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
  > 
  > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that many people are expected to be present and current issues can be discussed.
  > 
  > Any preference for days/times?
  > 
  > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
  
  From Jonasschnelli's doodle ( http://doodle.com/poll/cihug53sa8u4h2in#table ) it appears that Thursday 19:00 UTC - 20:00 UTC is the most popular time.
  
  I think scheduling the meeting in UTC (=Iceland time) makes sense internationally because different locales have different DST or no DST at all, so all in all that makes it more complex. It's true that this can make a convenient time less convenient half of the year, for some people, but I don't think there's a time that works for everyone anyway...
  
  Wladimir
  
  
  ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread

• • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
      2015-09-21 13:29 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
    @ 2015-09-21 13:51   ` gb
      2015-09-22 14:03     ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
    From: gb @ 2015-09-21 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Wladimir J. van der Laan
      Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list, Pieter Wuille, Cory Fields
    
    
    Although the planning for this a bit far along now, one consideration I
    might add from experience on working with other transglobal IT projects
    is the effect of timezones on local mood/alertness/awareness etc. The
    guys at 9am pinging on their first coffee in the antipodes will be in a
    different mindset than those at 21:00 in Europe, and this is
    unavoidable. What is possible is to schedule the meeting every other
    week at a time that is better for the "other" half, whoever that might
    be. This comes at the cost of not having an exactly same time set every
    week.
    
    On Mon, 2015-09-21 at 15:29 +0200, Wladimir J. van der Laan via
    bitcoin-dev wrote:
    > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 03:07:10AM +0200, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote:
    > > Hello,
    > > 
    > > At Monday's code sprint we had a good idea to schedule a regular developer meeting in #bitcoin-dev.
    > > 
    > > Attendance is of course voluntary, but it may be good to have a time that many people are expected to be present and current issues can be discussed.
    > > 
    > > Any preference for days/times?
    > > 
    > > What about e.g. every week 15:00-16:00 UTC on Thursday?
    > 
    > From Jonasschnelli's doodle ( http://doodle.com/poll/cihug53sa8u4h2in#table ) it appears that Thursday 19:00 UTC - 20:00 UTC is the most popular time.
    > 
    > I think scheduling the meeting in UTC (=Iceland time) makes sense internationally because different locales have different DST or no DST at all, so all in all that makes it more complex. It's true that this can make a convenient time less convenient half of the year, for some people, but I don't think there's a time that works for everyone anyway...
    > 
    > Wladimir
    > _______________________________________________
    > bitcoin-dev mailing list
    > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
    > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
    
    
    
    
    ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread

  • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weekly development meetings on IRC
        2015-09-21 13:51   ` gb
      @ 2015-09-22 14:03     ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
        0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
      From: Wladimir J. van der Laan @ 2015-09-22 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: gb; +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list
      
      On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 03:51:29PM +0200, gb wrote:
      > 
      > Although the planning for this a bit far along now, one consideration I
      > might add from experience on working with other transglobal IT projects
      
      Nah, we can always change the scheduling later... But let's first try it out with one time.
      
      W
      
      
      ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread

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