Re: [bitcoin-dev] Possible change to the MIT license

From: Jameson Lopp <jameson.lopp@gmail•com>
To: Brian Lockhart <brianlockhart@gmail•com>
Cc: "Bitcoin Protocol Discussion"
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>,
	"JOSE FEMENIAS CAÑUELO" <jose.femenias@gmail•com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Possible change to the MIT license
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:45:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADL_X_c=+YtLfyOn3fucyQEc5wtpmpXMNaJzvCPOc+cw-POOkw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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Anyone who feels so inclined is free to "pick up the mantle" and defend
Bitcoin against perceived social attacks. I don't think that Bitcoin
protocol developers have any particular responsibility to do so, and as
such this particular discussion is likely going to quickly veer off-topic
for this mailing list.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Brian Lockhart <brianlockhart@gmail•com>
wrote:

> > I don't think that Bitcoin should be reliant upon courts or governments
> to defend itself against attacks of any form.
>
> Agree 100%. Plus yeah, lotsa luck getting any success via those channels...
>
> But assuming the answer to the perceived problem is to “fight fire with
> fire” (using social / marketing based efforts) who “should” pick up the
> mantle here? Without inciting riots by asking the question, wouldn’t that
> ostensibly be something the Bitcoin Foundation would lead on here? <ducks
> and runs for cover>
>
> In any case, it’s frustrating to watch the ongoing FUD and scammery going
> unanswered in any “official” capacity.
>
>
> On February 13, 2018 at 7:25:35 AM, Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev (
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org) wrote:
>
> If I'm understanding the problem being stated correctly:
>
> "Bitcoin is under a branding attack by fork coins."
>
> The proposed solution is to disincentivize fork coins from using the word
> Bitcoin by altering the license terms. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me
> that the words of the license are basically useless unless there is an
> entity that intends to make use of court systems to threaten noncompliant
> projects into submission.
>
> In my opinion, the perceived attack on Bitcoin here is social /
> marketing-based, thus it makes sense that any defense against said attack
> should also be social / marketing-based. I don't think that Bitcoin should
> be reliant upon courts or governments to defend itself against attacks of
> any form.
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Natanael via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Den 13 feb. 2018 15:07 skrev "JOSE FEMENIAS CAÑUELO via bitcoin-dev" <
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>:
>>
>> ***
>> NO PART OF THIS SOFTWARE CAN BE INCLUDED IN ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT USES
>> THE NAME BITCOIN AS PART OF ITS NAME AND/OR ITS MARKETING MATERIAL UNLESS
>> THE SOFTWARE PRODUCED BY THAT PROJECT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE BITCOIN
>> (CORE) BLOCKCHAIN
>> ***
>>
>>
>> That's better solved with trademarks. (whoever would be the trademark
>> holder - Satoshi?)
>>
>> This would also prohibit any reimplementation that's not formally
>> verified to be perfectly compatible from using the name.
>>
>> It also adds legal uncertainty.
>>
>> Another major problem is that it neither affects anybody forking older
>> versions of Bitcoin, not people using existing independent blockchain
>> implementations and renaming them Bitcoin-Whatsoever.
>>
>> And what happens when an old version is technically incompatible with a
>> future version by the Core team due to not understanding various new
>> softforks? Which version wins the right to the name?
>>
>> Also, being unable to even mention Bitcoin is overkill.
>>
>> The software license also don't affect the blockchain data.
>>
>>
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