From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com>
To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Revisiting NODE_BLOOM: Proposed BIP
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 02:01:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADm_WcanqF7oHn7huKuYP8iFWmY4XE58tG01M_Nqg9qx6YFu9A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150821055534.GA27259@muck>
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I don't see any link to data backing up "Bloom filter usage has declined
significantly"
Is there actual data showing this feature's use is declining or
non-existent?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:48:23AM -0400, Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev
> wrote:
> > If this is widely deployed + enabled, what is the impact to current
> wallets
> > in use?
>
> See my comment on the recently-opened issue, reproduced below. In short,
> not all that much, especially if we adopt my suggestion of having the
> Core implementation accept and respond to bloom filter requests from
> non-upgraded clients regardless of whether or not NODE_BLOOM was set
> until some fixed upgrade deadline in the future.
>
>
> Note that since the last time NODE_BLOOM was proposed, the landcape for
> (lite-)SPV clients has changed significantly in a few key ways:
>
> 1) @mikehearn's [Cartographer](https://github.com/mikehearn/httpseed)
> seed protocol has been created and deployed in production to allow
> (lite-)SPV clients to find nodes supporting arbitrary service bits,
> notable NODE_GETUTXOs.
>
> 2) Bloom filter usage has declined significantly, as lite-SPV clients
> are moving towards using centralized, trusted, servers run by the
> wallet
> authors. For instance
> [Mycelium](https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet),
> [GreenBits](https://github.com/greenaddress/GreenBits),
> [AirBitz](
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3etohn/whats_wrong_with_breadwallet/ctirou5
> ),
> and [Electrum](https://electrum.org/#home) all fall in this category.
>
> 3) Bloom filters [have been found](http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/763) to
> have severe privacy issues, offering essentially no privacy at all.
> Under many threat models a small number of trusted servers pose less
> privacy security risk than connecting to random, sybil-attackable,
> peers
> using unencrypted connections and giving those peers very accurate
> wallet contents information.
>
> 4) Finally, Bloom filters still have [unsolved DoS attack
> issues](
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hjak7/the_hard_work_of_core_devs_not_xt_makes_bitcoin/cu9xntf?context=3
> ),
> that will get significantly worse under upcoming blocksize increase
> proposals.
>
> Re: service bit identifier, I'd just pick 1<<3
>
> -https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6578#issuecomment-133226943
>
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> 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-21 6:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-21 4:46 Matt Corallo
2015-08-21 5:38 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-21 5:42 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-21 17:55 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-21 22:06 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-22 1:08 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-22 1:48 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-24 15:19 ` Tom Harding
2015-08-24 17:39 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-22 1:08 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-21 5:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-08-21 5:55 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-21 6:01 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2015-08-21 6:07 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-21 22:15 ` Chris Pacia
2015-08-21 22:25 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-21 23:08 ` Tom Harding
2015-08-24 15:21 ` Mike Hearn
2015-08-21 8:31 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-08-21 17:53 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-24 15:29 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-08-24 17:37 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-24 17:41 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-08-24 17:58 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-08-24 18:00 ` Peter Todd
2015-08-24 18:07 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-24 18:15 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-08-24 18:28 ` Matt Corallo
2015-08-24 18:30 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-08-24 18:33 ` Eric Lombrozo
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