Re: [bitcoin-dev] Open Block Chain Licence, BIP[xxxx] Draft

From: Ahmed Zsales <ahmedzsales18@gmail•com>
To: Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Open Block Chain Licence, BIP[xxxx] Draft
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 23:11:56 +0100	[thread overview]
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To avoid repetition, we have actually covered the general points and
questions you have raised in the draft BIP, which includes a draft licence
to assist discussions:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBMVFxajNZa2hzMTg/view?usp=sharing

Regards,

Ahmed

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail•com> wrote:

> I think it gets worse. Who are the copyright owners (if this actually
> applies). You've got people publishing transaction messages, you've
> got miners reproducing them and publishing blocks. Who are all the
> parties involved? Then to take pedantry to the next level, does a
> miner have permission to republish messages? How do you know? What if
> the messages are reproducing others copyright/licensed material? It's
> not possible to license someone else's work. There are plenty rabbit
> holes to go down with this train of thought.
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > That is a very good point.
> >
> > We considered whether data existing before a licence change would be
> > covered, but we hadn't factored the potential need for gaining
> permissions
> > for a change to be considered effective.
> >
> > We have proposed that miners be the main beneficiaries of licensing and
> > there is a consideration on whether they should vote to adopt the new
> terms.
> > While not the preferred route, that would overcome any issues to what is
> an
> > otherwise honest 'error and omission.' There doesn't seem to be anyone
> who
> > could claim to have suffered any economic losses so this may not be an
> > issue. It merits further investigation.
> >
> > The block chain is in perpetual change, so the sooner a change is agreed
> > upon, if at all, the more data it will cover without any reservations. At
> > any rate, we believe the changes would be considered effective on a
> > retrospective basis.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail•com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Without commenting on your proposal at all, the general problem with
> >> licensing after the fact is you require the permission of every
> >> copyright holder in order to make the change.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev
> >> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > We believe the network requires a block chain licence to supplement
> the
> >> > existing MIT Licence which we believe only covers the core reference
> >> > client
> >> > software.
> >> >
> >> > Replacing or amending the existing MIT Licence is beyond the scope of
> >> > this
> >> > draft BIP.
> >> >
> >> > Rationale and details of our draft BIP for discussion and evaluation
> are
> >> > here:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBMVFxajNZa2hzMTg/view?usp=sharing
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Ahmed
> >> >
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