Re: [bitcoin-dev] bip39

From: Pavol Rusnak <stick@satoshilabs•com>
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bip39
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:45:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF90AvnLqyC=yDcT8yWORfQPKHPn06_YFffj9WGbP9+v5RZ1Fw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD5xwhhOP_evDPGhEWq6UL9_xuYUCAQs7CCttVCKcdf5V5CdFw@mail.gmail.com>

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Trezor recovery cards look like this what addresses the issue:

https://wiki.trezor.io/images/Seed_card_example.jpg

1. Each word has a box around it.
2. You write the words one under the other, not next to each other.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 at 23:38, Jeremy via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> This is a good point, but can be addressed by having a non-void whitespace
> character (e.g., win x estate).
>
> changing BIP39 would be hard since software expects a standard list; it
> would also be possible to rejection sample for seeds that do not contain
> these pairs, unclear how much entropy would be lost from that.
> --
> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
> <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:26 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> really don't like that art, work, and artwork are 3 different words
>>
>> would be nice to clean up adjacent ambiguity
>>
>> it's not a big deal, but it can lead to confusion when writing things down
>>
>>
>> dup: ('canal', 'arm') ('can', 'alarm')
>> dup: ('canal', 'one') ('can', 'alone')
>> dup: ('canal', 'ready') ('can', 'already')
>> dup: ('card', 'anger') ('car', 'danger')
>> dup: ('card', 'ice') ('car', 'dice')
>> dup: ('card', 'inner') ('car', 'dinner')
>> dup: ('card', 'raw') ('car', 'draw')
>> dup: ('cart', 'able') ('car', 'table')
>> dup: ('cart', 'ask') ('car', 'task')
>> dup: ('cart', 'hat') ('car', 'that')
>> dup: ('cart', 'hen') ('car', 'then')
>> dup: ('cart', 'issue') ('car', 'tissue')
>> dup: ('cart', 'one') ('car', 'tone')
>> dup: ('cart', 'own') ('car', 'town')
>> dup: ('cart', 'rack') ('car', 'track')
>> dup: ('cart', 'rain') ('car', 'train')
>> dup: ('cart', 'win') ('car', 'twin')
>> dup: ('catch', 'air') ('cat', 'chair')
>> dup: ('erase', 'arch') ('era', 'search')
>> dup: ('fatal', 'arm') ('fat', 'alarm')
>> dup: ('fatal', 'one') ('fat', 'alone')
>> dup: ('fatal', 'ready') ('fat', 'already')
>> dup: ('feed', 'anger') ('fee', 'danger')
>> dup: ('feed', 'ice') ('fee', 'dice')
>> dup: ('feed', 'inner') ('fee', 'dinner')
>> dup: ('feed', 'raw') ('fee', 'draw')
>> dup: ('feel', 'earn') ('fee', 'learn')
>> dup: ('feel', 'end') ('fee', 'lend')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'act') ('gas', 'pact')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'age') ('gas', 'page')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'air') ('gas', 'pair')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'ill') ('gas', 'pill')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'raise') ('gas', 'praise')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'rice') ('gas', 'price')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'ride') ('gas', 'pride')
>> dup: ('gasp', 'roof') ('gas', 'proof')
>> dup: ('kite', 'merge') ('kit', 'emerge')
>> dup: ('kite', 'motion') ('kit', 'emotion')
>> dup: ('kite', 'state') ('kit', 'estate')
>> dup: ('lawn', 'arrow') ('law', 'narrow')
>> dup: ('lawn', 'either') ('law', 'neither')
>> dup: ('lawn', 'ice') ('law', 'nice')
>> dup: ('legal', 'arm') ('leg', 'alarm')
>> dup: ('legal', 'one') ('leg', 'alone')
>> dup: ('legal', 'ready') ('leg', 'already')
>> dup: ('seat', 'able') ('sea', 'table')
>> dup: ('seat', 'ask') ('sea', 'task')
>> dup: ('seat', 'hat') ('sea', 'that')
>> dup: ('seat', 'hen') ('sea', 'then')
>> dup: ('seat', 'issue') ('sea', 'tissue')
>> dup: ('seat', 'one') ('sea', 'tone')
>> dup: ('seat', 'own') ('sea', 'town')
>> dup: ('seat', 'rack') ('sea', 'track')
>> dup: ('seat', 'rain') ('sea', 'train')
>> dup: ('seat', 'win') ('sea', 'twin')
>> dup: ('skin', 'arrow') ('ski', 'narrow')
>> dup: ('skin', 'either') ('ski', 'neither')
>> dup: ('skin', 'ice') ('ski', 'nice')
>> dup: ('tent', 'able') ('ten', 'table')
>> dup: ('tent', 'ask') ('ten', 'task')
>> dup: ('tent', 'hat') ('ten', 'that')
>> dup: ('tent', 'hen') ('ten', 'then')
>> dup: ('tent', 'issue') ('ten', 'tissue')
>> dup: ('tent', 'one') ('ten', 'tone')
>> dup: ('tent', 'own') ('ten', 'town')
>> dup: ('tent', 'rack') ('ten', 'track')
>> dup: ('tent', 'rain') ('ten', 'train')
>> dup: ('tent', 'win') ('ten', 'twin')
>> dup: ('used', 'anger') ('use', 'danger')
>> dup: ('used', 'ice') ('use', 'dice')
>> dup: ('used', 'inner') ('use', 'dinner')
>> dup: ('used', 'raw') ('use', 'draw')
>> dup: ('wine', 'merge') ('win', 'emerge')
>> dup: ('wine', 'motion') ('win', 'emotion')
>> dup: ('wine', 'state') ('win', 'estate')
>> dup: ('wing', 'host') ('win', 'ghost')
>> dup: ('wing', 'love') ('win', 'glove')
>> dup: ('wing', 'old') ('win', 'gold')
>> dup: ('wing', 'own') ('win', 'gown')
>> dup: ('wing', 'race') ('win', 'grace')
>> dup: ('wing', 'rain') ('win', 'grain')
>> dup: ('wink', 'now') ('win', 'know')
>> dup: ('youth', 'under') ('you', 'thunder')
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Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol "stick" Rusnak
Co-Founder, SatoshiLabs

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