Re: [bitcoin-dev] Trustless 2-way-peg without softfork

From: "G. Andrew Stone" <g.andrew.stone@gmail•com>
To: Dr Maxim Orlovsky <orlovsky@lnp-bp•org>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Trustless 2-way-peg without softfork
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:26:52 -0400	[thread overview]
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Any chance of a quick tldr to pique our interest by explaining how exactly
this works "and the protocol will reach consensus on whether the state
reported by the oracle is correct" in presumably a permissionless,
anonymous, decentralized fashion, and what caveats there are?

Regards,
Andrew

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 4:06 PM Dr Maxim Orlovsky via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Several years ago my team from Pandora Project working on
> censorship-resistant distributed machine learning proposed Prometheus: a
> protocol for high-load computing on top of Bitcoin. The protocol operates
> as a multi-party game setting where an oracle ("worker") is provided with
> an arbitrary computationally complex task (any Turing-complete computing,
> machine learning training or inference etc) and the network is able to
> reach a consensus on whether a result reported by the worker is true. The
> consensus is reached via optional rounds of verification and arbitrage. The
> protocol is cryptoeconomically-safe, i.e. has a proven Nash equilibrium.
> The protocol was later transferred to LNP/BP Standards Association (
> https://lnp-bp.org) and was kept in a backlog of what can be done in a
> future as a layer on top of Bitcoin.
>
> I'd like to emphasize that Prometheus works on Bitcoin, requires just
> several Bitcoin tx per task, and _doesn't require any soft fork_. All
> economic setting is done with Bitcoin as a means of payment, and using
> existing Bitcoin script capabilities.
>
> Link to the paper describing the protocol: <
> https://github.com/Prometheus-WG/prometheus-spec/blob/master/prometheus.pdf
> >
>
> Only today I have realized that Prometheus protocol can be used to build
> cryptoeconomically-safe (i.e. trustless) 2-way-peg on the Bitcoin
> blockchain without any soft-forks: a "worker" in such a case acts as an
> oracle for some extra-bitcoin system (sidechain, client-side-validated
> protocol, zk rollup etc) validating it, and the protocol will reach
> consensus on whether the state reported by the oracle is correct.
>
> In other words, this is an alternative to BIP-300 and other similar
> soft-forks having the only purpose of doing 2-way pegs. It also enables the
> two-way trustless transfer of Bitcoins between Bitcoin blockchain, RGB and,
> in a future, potential new layer 1 called "prime" (to learn more about
> prime you can check my Baltic Honeybadger talk <
> https://www.youtube.com/live/V3vvybsc1A4?feature=shared&t=23631>).
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Dr Maxim Orlovsky
> Twitter: @dr_orlovsky
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>
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