Re: [bitcoin-dev] Services bit for xthin blocks

From: "G. Andrew Stone" <g.andrew.stone@gmail•com>
To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Services bit for xthin blocks
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 21:35:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHUwRvv_UMoRhcwy7u2XLz19q3aKNfHXyTNbfaSUsEapFnH2kg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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Included at the bottom of this mail is a BIP concerning our impending use
of a particular services bit.

I am making a good-faith effort to notify the community of this use and
follow the BIP submission rules with a correctly formatted BIP sent to Luke
jr.  He has informed me that such a BIP should be discussed on the mailing
list (which is this thread) and that the BIP should document the extreme
thin block protocol.

Not an unreasonable request, however while I personally respect the many
great accomplishments of individual engineers loosely affiliated with
"Core", Bitcoin Unlimited has our own process for documentation and
discussion on an uncensored forum located here:
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/buip010-passed-xtreme-thinblocks.774/.  We
would love to have any interested engineer join us there with ideas and
criticisms.

But since Bitcoin Unlimited already has a process, it would be redundant
and time consuming for us to adhere to your process.  If a "Core" engineer
would like to spend the time to move this BIP through your process I would
be eternally grateful and be willing to use a different bit or make other
changes that make mutual sense.  If not, then it is up to "Core" as a group
to decide whether they would like to preserve interoperability as the
protocol intended by avoiding use of bit 1<<4  (except to indicate the
presence of a compatible Xthin implementation), or whether they will force
clients to take the sub-version field into account when determining client
capabilities.

Regards,
Andrew Stone
Developer, Bitcoin Unlimited

<pre>
  BIP: XXX
  Title: Extreme thin block service bit
  Author: Andrew Stone <g.andrew.stone@gmail•com>
  Status:
  Type: Standards Track
  Created: 2016-03-07
</pre>

==Abstract==

Nodes need to communicate to each other whether or not thin block
communication messages are supported.

==Motivation==

# Ensure Satoshi client interoperability

==Rationale==

Clients will use this functionality to choose peers, so a service bit is
the most appropriate location.

==Specification==

# Bit (1 << 4) of the nServices flags enum located in protocol.h shall
indicate the ability to handle thin block communication messages.

==Backward compatibility==

All older clients are compatible with this change. Users and merchants
should not be impacted.

==Implementation==

/** nServices flags */
enum {
  ...
    // NODE_XTHIN means the node is capable of and willing to handle Xthin
messages.
    NODE_XTHIN = (1 << 4),
  ...
};

==Copyright==
This document is Public Domain.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:10 PM, dagurval <dagurvj+btclist@gmail•com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Does this functionality change peer selection?
>
> This bit will be used for selecting outgoing peers in Bitcoin XT.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM, G. Andrew Stone via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> > The Bitcoin Unlimited client needs a services bit to indicate that the
>> node
>> > is capable of communicating thin blocks.  We propose to use bit 4 as
>> AFAIK
>> > bit 3 is already earmarked for Segregated Witness.
>>
>> Does this functionality change peer selection?  If not, the preferred
>> signaling mechanism is probably the one in BIP 130.
>>
>> Otherwise, I think the standard method for getting numbers has been to
>> write a BIP documenting the usage. I don't know if that is intentional
>> or just how things have previously happened; and I don't have much of
>> an opinion on it.
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