From: Rick Wesson <rick@support-intelligence•com>
To: slush <slush@centrum•cz>
Cc: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:52:14 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ1JLttMWog=QSLmmM9HiZLQ2UU9sPmwAs2wVQoetW3yjMRPow@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, slush <slush@centrum•cz> wrote:
> I really like this proposal with standard URLs. All other proposals like DNS
> mapping or email aliases converted to URLs with some weird logic looks
> strange to me.
wow, really. Maybe you could review some RFCs, there are thousands of
examples where some really smart engineers chose the exact opposite
path which you propose below.
-rick
> Plain URLs (returning address in response body, redirecting to URI
> "bitcoin:<address>" or anything else) are very clear solution, easy to
> implement in clients and very easy to understand by people. It's also
> extremely flexible - almost everybody can somewhere setup static file
> containing his "personal" addresses or it's very easy to integrate such
> solution with eshops (providing custom address for given order) etc. I'm
> definitely for this solution.
>
> Best,
> slush
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail•com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2011 December 13 Tuesday, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the document, but this is the intent with
>> > the HTTPS proposal.
>>
>> I don't like the idea of a hard-coded mapping at all. We shouldn't be
>> making
>> choices on behalf of server operators. It's up to them how they arrange
>> their
>> domain names and paths.
>>
>> I also agree that DNS is not the technology to use. DNS is a nightmare.
>>
>> > genjix@foo•org
>> >
>> > Contacts https://foo.org/bitcoin-alias/?handle=genjix and the system
>> > responds with a bitcoin address. Whether the system gives you a new
>> > address from a pool of addresses, or contacts the merchant behind the
>> > scenes is implementation defined.
>> >
>> > I'll clarify it later. This is the relevant line:
>> >
>> > string strRequestUrl = strDomain + "/bitcoin-alias/?handle=" +
>> > pszEncodedNick;
>> >
>> > Between HTTPS service and server service, I lean slightly towards HTTPS
>> > (automatic encrypted connection, CAs + all benefits of DNS). But still
>> > interested in arguments in favour of a server service (daemon answering
>> > queries).
>>
>> Why bother with an encoding scheme at all? If the address
>>
>> genjix@foo•org
>>
>> always maps to
>>
>> https://foo.org/bitcoin-alias/?handle=genjix
>>
>> Then forget the hardcoding of "https" the hardcoding of "bitcoin-alias"
>> and
>> "?handle=" and the original email-looking "genjix@foo•org". Just use the
>> URL.
>> Then the author of the service can use whatever they want.
>>
>> "Can I pay you 10 BTC?"
>> "Sure, send it to 'https://bitcoinalias.foo.org/genjix/'"
>>
>> While I might implement my alias server like this:
>>
>> "Sure, send it to 'https://google.com/bitcoin/?andyparkins'"
>> "Sure, send it to 'https://parkins.co.uk/"
>>
>> ... or any other URL they want -- any of which suit might suit me and my
>> webserver better than whatever mapping would otherwise be hard-coded. The
>> world is already very familiar with URLs so this is no more scary than the
>> email address. What's more, the email address form looks _too much_ like
>> an
>> email address, and will only lead to confusion ... "send it to
>> genjix@foo•org"
>> "so I use outlook express for that, right?" "erm, no, you put it in your
>> bitcoin client".
>>
>> The URL form could easily be made to detect a browser connecting rather
>> than a
>> bitcoin client (and this is an area that would benefit from a standards
>> document -- define the headers and user agent triggers that an alias
>> server
>> expects) and give them better instructions.
>>
>> https can be specified as the default, so "https://" can be optional when
>> they're typing. If, in the future, bitcoin gets a distributed
>> peer-to-peer
>> alias system, then a new URL type can be added easily
>> "bcalias://andyparkins"
>> might automatically find my node in the network and query it for an
>> address
>> (or whatever).
>>
>> All of the above is exactly why OpenID chose to use URLs for ID.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> --
>> Dr Andy Parkins
>> andyparkins@gmail•com
>>
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-12-12 23:16 [Bitcoin-development] " Zell Faze
2011-12-12 23:37 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-12 23:41 ` Luke-Jr
[not found] ` <CAGQP0AGBKKEqhaJZj-Rw400AjrVHE9_EMve=RWdqoaOaDsTgtw@mail.gmail.com>
2011-12-13 0:00 ` [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: " Jorge Timón
2011-12-13 0:42 ` Amir Taaki
2011-12-13 2:32 ` Daniel F
2011-12-13 2:37 ` Amir Taaki
2011-12-13 2:43 ` Luke-Jr
2011-12-13 2:52 ` Daniel F
2011-12-13 10:55 ` Mike Hearn
2011-12-13 11:42 ` Christian Decker
2011-12-13 12:32 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-13 13:06 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-12-13 15:46 ` Amir Taaki
2011-12-13 16:22 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-14 19:22 ` D.H.
2011-12-14 20:07 ` Luke-Jr
2011-12-14 20:17 ` D.H.
2011-12-14 20:21 ` Joel Joonatan Kaartinen
2011-12-14 22:51 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-14 23:02 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-14 23:27 ` Luke-Jr
2011-12-15 1:22 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-15 3:57 ` Zell Faze
2011-12-15 4:56 ` Kyle Henderson
2011-12-15 6:04 ` Zell Faze
2011-12-15 6:41 ` Walter Stanish
2011-12-15 7:45 ` Jordan Mack
2011-12-15 7:52 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-15 7:48 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-15 8:26 ` Walter Stanish
2011-12-15 10:01 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-15 11:08 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-15 11:22 ` Christian Decker
2011-12-16 5:42 ` Walter Stanish
2011-12-16 8:46 ` Pieter Wuille
2011-12-15 15:44 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-15 15:42 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-16 0:07 ` slush
2011-12-16 15:52 ` Rick Wesson [this message]
2011-12-16 16:36 ` slush
2011-12-16 17:10 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-16 17:41 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-16 18:29 ` Amir Taaki
2011-12-16 19:06 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-12-16 19:22 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-16 20:58 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-16 20:54 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-16 21:50 ` Rick Wesson
2011-12-13 15:47 ` Luke-Jr
2011-12-16 17:36 ` Khalahan
2011-12-16 17:48 ` Gregory Maxwell
2011-12-13 15:55 ` Walter Stanish
2011-12-13 16:15 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-13 16:48 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-12-14 2:30 ` Walter Stanish
2011-12-13 2:39 ` [Bitcoin-development] " Stefan Thomas
2011-12-12 23:52 ` Matt Corallo
2011-12-12 23:37 ` Will
[not found] <9109000381434268897@unknownmsgid>
2011-12-13 8:55 ` [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: " Cameron Garnham
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