* [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
@ 2021-04-24 4:42 Greg Maxwell
2021-04-24 14:45 ` Matt Corallo
2021-04-26 0:36 ` David A. Harding
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Greg Maxwell @ 2021-04-24 4:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Dev
I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time.
Those who believe that adding him will resolve the situation with
Luke-jr's inappropriate behavior re: PR1104 are mistaken.
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-24 4:42 [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm Greg Maxwell
@ 2021-04-24 14:45 ` Matt Corallo
2021-04-26 0:36 ` David A. Harding
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Matt Corallo @ 2021-04-24 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Greg Maxwell, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
What is preventing the BIP maintainership role from moving to a bot? It does seem like a bot should be able to do a fine
job given the explicit criteria (though ignoring obvious spam is often nice, its by no means a requirement).
Given recent events where humans have....acted like humans, it seems a move to a bot may be warranted.
Matt
On 4/24/21 00:42, Greg Maxwell via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time.
>
> Those who believe that adding him will resolve the situation with
> Luke-jr's inappropriate behavior re: PR1104 are mistaken.
>
>
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-24 4:42 [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm Greg Maxwell
2021-04-24 14:45 ` Matt Corallo
@ 2021-04-26 0:36 ` David A. Harding
2021-04-27 22:30 ` Jaime Caring
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: David A. Harding @ 2021-04-26 0:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Greg Maxwell, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who
> believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are
> mistaken.
PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?
Thanks,
-Dave
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-26 0:36 ` David A. Harding
@ 2021-04-27 22:30 ` Jaime Caring
2021-04-28 9:52 ` Amir Taaki
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From: Jaime Caring @ 2021-04-27 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David A. Harding, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate Greg's
NACK.
I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors,
including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of
editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process
prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes proceedings
clear.
My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113
I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased
should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead.
Peace be upon you,
JC
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
> wrote:
> > I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who
> > believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are
> > mistaken.
>
> PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-27 22:30 ` Jaime Caring
@ 2021-04-28 9:52 ` Amir Taaki
2021-04-30 15:39 ` Karl
2021-04-30 16:58 ` Jameson Lopp
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Amir Taaki @ 2021-04-28 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-dev
A committee to guide the committee? You guys truly have lost the plot.
All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is
an empty echo chamber.
Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap,
not with the processes themselves.
And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one
client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power.
Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period
of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching
some process and moving on.
I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project. The
community is free to elect their preferred version of Bitcoin. And most
importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced standard that
all implementations move towards using.
On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate
> Greg's NACK.
>
> I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors,
> including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of
> editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process
> prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes
> proceedings clear.
>
> My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here:
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113
> <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113>
>
> I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased
> should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead.
>
> Peace be upon you,
>
> JC
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via
> bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who
> > believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are
> > mistaken.
>
> PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-28 9:52 ` Amir Taaki
@ 2021-04-30 15:39 ` Karl
2021-04-30 16:58 ` Jameson Lopp
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Karl @ 2021-04-30 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amir Taaki, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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A good solution here is to make it clear to visitors that facilitation,
mediation, and organisation help is badly needed in the core development
team.
People with such expertise can even be hired directly.
A good facilitator opens communication paths between all parties, leaving
everyone satisfied with decisions. Don't accept a compromise if you can
look for something better.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 8:00 AM Amir Taaki via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> A committee to guide the committee? You guys truly have lost the plot.
>
> All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is
> an empty echo chamber.
>
> Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap,
> not with the processes themselves.
>
> And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one
> client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power.
>
> Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period
> of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching
> some process and moving on.
>
> I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project. The
> community is free to elect their preferred version of Bitcoin. And most
> importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced standard that
> all implementations move towards using.
>
> On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate
> > Greg's NACK.
> >
> > I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors,
> > including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of
> > editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process
> > prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes
> > proceedings clear.
> >
> > My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here:
> > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113
> > <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113>
> >
> > I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased
> > should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead.
> >
> > Peace be upon you,
> >
> > JC
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
> > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via
> > bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > > I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who
> > > believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are
> > > mistaken.
> >
> > PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Dave
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> > <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-28 9:52 ` Amir Taaki
2021-04-30 15:39 ` Karl
@ 2021-04-30 16:58 ` Jameson Lopp
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jameson Lopp @ 2021-04-30 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amir Taaki, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:59 AM Amir Taaki via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> A committee to guide the committee? You guys truly have lost the plot.
>
> All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is
> an empty echo chamber.
>
> Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap,
> not with the processes themselves.
>
> And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one
> client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power.
>
> Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period
> of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching
> some process and moving on.
>
> I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project.
Nonsense, as it is not the official Bitcoin project. There is no such thing.
The community is free to elect their preferred version of Bitcoin.
Individuals have voted with their feet and are free to continue to do so.
It's anarchy, I tell you!
> And most importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced
> standard that
> all implementations move towards using.
>
Who decides the spec? Perhaps... a committee of some sort?
>
> On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate
> > Greg's NACK.
> >
> > I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors,
> > including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of
> > editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process
> > prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes
> > proceedings clear.
> >
> > My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here:
> > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113
> > <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113>
> >
> > I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased
> > should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead.
> >
> > Peace be upon you,
> >
> > JC
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
> > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via
> > bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > > I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who
> > > believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are
> > > mistaken.
> >
> > PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Dave
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> > <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
@ 2021-04-26 18:13 ` W. J. van der Laan
4 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: W. J. van der Laan @ 2021-04-26 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
On Friday, April 23rd, 2021 at 4:09 AM, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
ACK on adding Kalle.
I'm happy to finally see someone else interested in BIP maintainer role, for years no one really seemed to care about doing this mostly procedural/bureaucratic function, which is (part of) the reason Luke-Jr ended up as the only BIP maintainer for such a long time.
And I disagree that a bot could do this just as well. Auto-merging would open it up to all kinds of DoS attacks, vandalism, and low-effort scams that a person can easily ward against.
-W
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
@ 2021-04-26 16:56 ` James O'Beirne
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: James O'Beirne @ 2021-04-26 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sjors Provoost, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK for Kalle.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 09:55 Sjors Provoost via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> ACK for adding Kalle.
>
> Recent drama aside, having a single editor is not ideal. There's currently
> 110 open pull requests to the BIPs repo.
>
> - Sjors
>
> > Op 23 apr. 2021, om 04:09 heeft Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> > assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
> >
> > Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
> be
> > fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
> >
> >> A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> >> rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> >> rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> >> mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> >> unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
> >
> > A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> > unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
> can go
> > that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> > editors, so I think this should be fine.
> >
> > Please speak up soon if you disagree.
> >
> > Luke
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
@ 2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
2021-04-26 16:56 ` James O'Beirne
2021-04-26 18:13 ` W. J. van der Laan
4 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Sjors Provoost @ 2021-04-26 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Dev
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ACK for adding Kalle.
Recent drama aside, having a single editor is not ideal. There's currently 110 open pull requests to the BIPs repo.
- Sjors
> Op 23 apr. 2021, om 04:09 heeft Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
>> A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
@ 2021-04-24 10:16 ` nopara73
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: nopara73 @ 2021-04-24 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Antoine Riard, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK adding Kalle
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 5:51 PM Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Hi Luke,
>
> For the records and the subscribers of this list not following
> #bitcoin-core-dev, this mail follows a discussion which did happen during
> yesterday irc meetings.
> Logs here : http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-04-22.log
>
> I'll reiterate my opinion expressed during the meeting. If this proposal
> to extend the bip editorship membership doesn't satisfy parties involved or
> anyone in the community, I'm strongly opposed to have the matter sliced by
> admins of the Bitcoin github org. I believe that defect or uncertainty in
> the BIP Process shouldn't be solved by GH janitorial roles and I think
> their roles don't bestow to intervene in case of loopholes. Further, you
> have far more contributors involved in the BIP Process rather than only
> Bitcoin Core ones. FWIW, such precedent merits would be quite similar to
> lobby directly GH staff...
>
> Unless we harm Bitcoin users by not acting, I think we should always be
> respectful of procedural forms. And in the lack of such forms, stay patient
> until a solution satisfy everyone.
>
> I would recommend the BIP editorship, once extended or not, to move in its
> own repository in the future.
>
> Cheers,
> Antoine
>
>
>
>
> Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 à 22:09, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :
>
>> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
>> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>>
>> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
>> be
>> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>>
>> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>>
>> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
>> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
>> can go
>> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
>> BIP
>> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>>
>> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
--
Best,
Ádám
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
@ 2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
2021-04-24 10:16 ` nopara73
2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
2021-04-26 18:13 ` W. J. van der Laan
4 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Antoine Riard @ 2021-04-23 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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Hi Luke,
For the records and the subscribers of this list not following
#bitcoin-core-dev, this mail follows a discussion which did happen during
yesterday irc meetings.
Logs here : http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-04-22.log
I'll reiterate my opinion expressed during the meeting. If this proposal to
extend the bip editorship membership doesn't satisfy parties involved or
anyone in the community, I'm strongly opposed to have the matter sliced by
admins of the Bitcoin github org. I believe that defect or uncertainty in
the BIP Process shouldn't be solved by GH janitorial roles and I think
their roles don't bestow to intervene in case of loopholes. Further, you
have far more contributors involved in the BIP Process rather than only
Bitcoin Core ones. FWIW, such precedent merits would be quite similar to
lobby directly GH staff...
Unless we harm Bitcoin users by not acting, I think we should always be
respectful of procedural forms. And in the lack of such forms, stay patient
until a solution satisfy everyone.
I would recommend the BIP editorship, once extended or not, to move in its
own repository in the future.
Cheers,
Antoine
Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 à 22:09, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can
> go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
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> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
@ 2021-04-23 9:11 ` Eric Martindale
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eric Martindale @ 2021-04-23 9:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pindar Wong, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK. Kalle has been exceptional throughout his contributions — especially
thankful for btcdeb 🙏
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 3:51 AM Pindar Wong via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> ACK.
>
> p.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
>> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>>
>> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
>> be
>> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>>
>> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>>
>> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
>> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
>> can go
>> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
>> BIP
>> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>>
>> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
@ 2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
2021-04-23 9:11 ` Eric Martindale
2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
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From: Pindar Wong @ 2021-04-23 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK.
p.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can
> go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
@ 2021-04-23 7:49 ` John Newbery
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: John Newbery @ 2021-04-23 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK adding Kalle.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:36 AM Jeremy via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> ACK adding Kalle.
>
> Kalle is a qualified reviewer / editor and well suited for this role.
> --
> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
> <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 7:09 PM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
>> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>>
>> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
>> be
>> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>>
>> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>>
>> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
>> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
>> can go
>> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
>> BIP
>> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>>
>> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
@ 2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
2021-04-23 7:49 ` John Newbery
2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
` (3 subsequent siblings)
4 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jeremy @ 2021-04-23 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK adding Kalle.
Kalle is a qualified reviewer / editor and well suited for this role.
--
@JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
<https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 7:09 PM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can
> go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
@ 2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
` (4 more replies)
0 siblings, 5 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Luke Dashjr @ 2021-04-23 2:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
> A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can go
that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new BIP
editors, so I think this should be fine.
Please speak up soon if you disagree.
Luke
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