From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com>
To: Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Concerns Regarding Threats by a Developer to Remove Commit Access from Other Developers
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:53:24 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJHLa0OKXaUD6MnN4N6RGbNwrXx43jBm9MiELQK6BRw1OL3HNA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPg+sBj_go==m6-++sA53imYdz4OLH4bkyiuAyEM8YR8CaTd=w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail•com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Wladimir J. van der Laan <
> laanwj@gmail•com> wrote:
>
>> Like in any open source project there is lots of decision making ability
>> for code changes. I'd say look at the changelog for e.g. 0.11
>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.11/doc/release-notes.md#0110-change-log,
>> or follow pull requests for a while, to see how many decisions about
>> changes are made from day to day. No, I'm not sitting on my hands, and so
>> is none of the other contributors that you'd like to get rid of.
>>
>
> The analogy goes further even. Even though I disagree with some of the
> changes you're making, I respect Mike's (and anyone's) right to make a fork
> of Bitcoin Core. That's how open source works: if people disagree with
> changes made or not made, they can maintain their own version. However:
>
>
>> Consensus changes are *much* more difficult, on the other hand. Even
>> relatively straightforward softforks come with a long discussion process
>> (see BIP62, BIP66). A hardfork is hard to do at the best of times (everyone
>> needs to upgrade their software!), and simply not possible if almost the
>> entire technical community disagrees with you.
>>
>
> Consensus changes - in particular hardforks - are not about making a
> change to the software. You are effectively asking users of the system to
> migrate to a new system. Perhaps one which is a philosophical successor to
> the old one, but a different system, with new rules that are incompatible
> with the old one.
>
Indeed. I think Mike is glossing over this major facet.
Consensus changes - worded another way - change Bitcoin's Constitution -
The Rules that everyone in the system is -forced- to follow, or be ignored
by the system.
Changing bitcoin's rules IS IN NO WAY like Wikipedia or other open source
software.
--
Jeff Garzik
Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-18 8:54 odinn
2015-06-18 10:00 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 11:14 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 11:47 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 13:36 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 15:58 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-06-18 12:29 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-06-18 12:50 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 12:56 ` Benjamin
2015-06-18 13:49 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 14:05 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 14:16 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 14:53 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 14:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 15:13 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 14:53 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2015-06-18 16:07 ` justusranvier
2015-06-18 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 17:04 ` justusranvier
2015-06-18 17:42 ` Alex Morcos
2015-06-18 18:01 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 18:23 ` Gavin Andresen
2015-06-18 18:44 ` Alex Morcos
2015-06-18 18:49 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-18 19:31 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-06-18 21:42 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-18 21:49 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-18 21:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 22:33 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-18 22:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 23:25 ` odinn
2015-06-18 23:16 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-06-19 0:57 ` Chris Pacia
2015-06-19 5:59 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-19 9:37 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-19 9:53 ` Benjamin
2015-06-19 10:08 ` GC
2015-06-19 10:19 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-19 10:52 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-19 11:31 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-19 12:26 ` GC
2015-06-19 11:48 ` Brooks Boyd
2015-06-21 14:45 ` Owen Gunden
2015-06-18 21:55 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-06-18 19:24 ` Matt Corallo
2015-06-18 19:32 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-06-18 12:38 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 13:31 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 13:50 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-06-18 15:03 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-18 15:30 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 15:46 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 16:05 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 16:20 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 22:49 ` odinn
2015-06-18 16:11 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 11:41 ` Lawrence Nahum
2015-06-18 14:33 ` Bryan Bishop
2015-06-18 18:09 ` Melvin Carvalho
2015-06-18 22:10 ` odinn
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