From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com>
To: Andy Alness <andy@coinbase•com>
Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net"
<bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Why are we bleeding nodes?
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:22:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJHLa0Omi=fyE0S440dAqkzvZMKcfuOTrvoYwvxW+hO76CHogA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALKy-wp_d5Tzu2POai5gpe+EJUVGuOvN58aGu2WekBjkhNm8Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Indeed -- you must reinvent TCP over UDP, ultimately, to handle blocks
and large TXs.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Andy Alness <andy@coinbase•com> wrote:
> Awesome! I'm assuming this is it:
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=156769.0
>
> It would be interesting (at least to me) to take this a step further
> and offer UDP as a full TCP replacement capable of STUN-assisted NAT
> traversal and possibly swarmed blockchain syncs. It would require open
> TCP nodes to facilitate "connection" establishment. It is obviously a
> non-trivial amount of work but would be an interesting experiment.
> Maybe BitTorrent's µTP protocol could be leveraged.
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com> wrote:
>> Yes, i spec'd out the UDP traversal of the P2P protocol. It seems
>> reasonable especially for "inv" messages.
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Andy Alness <andy@coinbase•com> wrote:
>>> Has there ever been serious discussion on extending the protocol to
>>> support UDP transport? That would allow for NAT traversal and for many
>>> more people to run effective nodes. I'm also curious if it could be
>>> made improve block propagation time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Gmail <will.yager@gmail•com> wrote:
>>>> Unlikely. I doubt any significant portion of miners in china will continue to mine on a china-specific chain, since it will certainly be outmined by non-Chinese miners, and will be orphaned eventually.
>>>>
>>>> More likely is that mining interests in china will make special arrangements to circumvent the GFwOC.
>>>>
>>>> Users who can't access the worldwide blockchain will notice horrendously slow confirmation times and other side effects.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2014, at 10:37, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl•org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could a blockchain fork due to network split happen?
>>>>>
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>> Jeff Garzik
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>
>
>
> --
> Andy Alness
> Software Engineer
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2014-04-07 13:43 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-04-07 14:05 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 14:15 ` Eric Martindale
2014-04-07 14:23 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 19:46 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-04-08 3:13 ` kjj
2014-04-08 7:50 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-09 10:38 ` Wendell
2014-04-09 11:15 ` Wladimir
2014-04-07 14:45 ` Tom Harding
2014-04-07 12:19 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-04-07 12:26 ` Pieter Wuille
2014-04-07 12:34 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 12:34 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-05-20 18:38 ` Isidor Zeuner
2014-04-07 13:50 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 13:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 13:58 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-04-07 14:04 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-08 11:28 ` Jesus Cea
2014-04-07 15:45 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-07 15:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 16:02 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-04-07 16:27 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 16:57 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 17:01 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 17:16 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 17:35 ` Brent Shambaugh
2014-04-07 17:40 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 17:44 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 17:45 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 17:50 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-07 18:30 ` Arne Brutschy
2014-04-07 17:56 ` Brent Shambaugh
2014-04-07 17:46 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-07 17:39 ` Chris Williams
2014-04-07 18:23 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 18:35 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 18:49 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 19:00 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 18:48 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 19:02 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 19:05 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 19:03 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 19:13 ` Tier Nolan
2014-04-07 19:20 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 19:13 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 19:36 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 21:46 ` Ricardo Filipe
2014-04-07 19:30 ` Paul Lyon
2014-04-07 19:50 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 21:48 ` Tier Nolan
2014-04-07 21:56 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-08 3:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-04-08 7:24 ` Jean-Paul Kogelman
2014-04-08 7:59 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-08 17:18 ` Andrew LeCody
2014-04-07 17:07 ` Drak
2014-05-20 8:15 ` bitcoingrant
2014-05-20 8:42 ` Mike Hearn
2014-05-20 14:37 ` Eugen Leitl
2014-05-20 14:52 ` Gmail
2014-05-20 18:46 ` Andy Alness
2014-05-20 19:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-05-20 20:09 ` Andy Alness
2014-05-20 20:22 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2014-04-07 21:55 Paul Lyon
2014-04-07 22:14 ` Tier Nolan
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