From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com>
To: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach•org>
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>,
Gavin Andresen <gavin@bitcoinfoundation•org>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Concerns Regarding Threats by a Developer to Remove Commit Access from Other Developers
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:52:48 -0700 [thread overview]
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach•org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The whole point is getting out in front of the need, to prevent
>> significant negative impact to users when blocks are consistently full.
>>
>> To do that, you need to (a) plan forward, in order to (b) set a hard fork
>> date in the future.
>>
>
> Or alternatively, fix the reasons why users would have negative
> experiences with full blocks, chiefly:
>
> * Get safe forms of replace-by-fee and child-pays-for-parent finished
> and in 0.12.
> * Develop cross-platform libraries for managing micropayment channels,
> and get wallet authors to adopt
> * Use fidelity bonds, solvency proofs, and other tricks to minimize the
> risk of already deployed off-chain solutions as an interim measure until:
> * Deploy soft-fork changes for truly scalable solutions like Lightning
> Network.
>
> Not raising the block size limit does not mean doing nothing to solve the
> problem.
>
This is a long, unreasonable list of work. None of this exists and it
equates to "upgrade all wallets and websites everywhere" It requires all
exchanges, payment processors, merchants, etc. to - basically everybody
but miners - to update.
It is a far, far larger amount of work to write, test and deploy than
simply increasing the block size limit.
Think through roll-out of these ambitious suggestions, before suggesting as
an alternative!
Not a realistic alternative except in an alternate universe where (a)
developer work at all companies is cost free, plus (b) we can pause the
business universe while we wait for The Perfect Solution.
--
Jeff Garzik
Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-18 8:54 odinn
2015-06-18 10:00 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 11:14 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 11:47 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 13:36 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 15:58 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-06-18 12:29 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-06-18 12:50 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 12:56 ` Benjamin
2015-06-18 13:49 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 14:05 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 14:16 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 14:53 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 14:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 15:13 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 14:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 16:07 ` justusranvier
2015-06-18 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 17:04 ` justusranvier
2015-06-18 17:42 ` Alex Morcos
2015-06-18 18:01 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 18:23 ` Gavin Andresen
2015-06-18 18:44 ` Alex Morcos
2015-06-18 18:49 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-18 19:31 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-06-18 21:42 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-18 21:49 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-18 21:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-18 22:33 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-18 22:52 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2015-06-18 23:25 ` odinn
2015-06-18 23:16 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-06-19 0:57 ` Chris Pacia
2015-06-19 5:59 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-19 9:37 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-19 9:53 ` Benjamin
2015-06-19 10:08 ` GC
2015-06-19 10:19 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-19 10:52 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-19 11:31 ` Jorge Timón
2015-06-19 12:26 ` GC
2015-06-19 11:48 ` Brooks Boyd
2015-06-21 14:45 ` Owen Gunden
2015-06-18 21:55 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-06-18 19:24 ` Matt Corallo
2015-06-18 19:32 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-06-18 12:38 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 13:31 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 13:50 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-06-18 15:03 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-18 15:30 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 15:46 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 16:05 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-18 16:20 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-06-18 22:49 ` odinn
2015-06-18 16:11 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-06-18 11:41 ` Lawrence Nahum
2015-06-18 14:33 ` Bryan Bishop
2015-06-18 18:09 ` Melvin Carvalho
2015-06-18 22:10 ` odinn
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