public inbox for bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Allen Piscitello <allen.piscitello@gmail•com>
To: Mike Hearn <hearn@vinumeris•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Is it possible for there to be two chains after a hard fork?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:55:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfRnm4WwtNvChcCGCzDLJZrg3VZqJz-X-XXC0Ftyga3x=P8-w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+w+GKTVzaEqWeR9m2ck6z3WZ_OWJ5hgkqyQhriJDLPVoHzfGQ@mail.gmail.com>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 896 bytes --]

>A dishonest miner majority can commit fraud against you, they can mine
only empty blocks, they can do various other things that render your money
worthless.

Mining empty blocks is not fraud.

If you want to use terms like "honest miners" and "fraud", please define
them so we can at least be on the same page.

I am defining an honest miner as one that follows the rules of the
protocol.  Obviously your definition is different.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Mike Hearn <hearn@vinumeris•com> wrote:

> >because Bitcoin's basic security assumption is that a supermajority of
>> miners are 'honest.'
>>
>> Only if you rely on SPV.
>>
>
> No, you rely on miners honesty even if you run a full node. This is in the
> white paper. A dishonest miner majority can commit fraud against you, they
> can mine only empty blocks, they can do various other things that render
> your money worthless.
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2009 bytes --]

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-29 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-29 14:04 Gavin Andresen
2015-09-29 14:17 ` Jonathan Toomim (Toomim Bros)
2015-09-29 14:59   ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-09-29 17:24 ` Allen Piscitello
2015-09-29 17:35   ` Gavin Andresen
2015-09-29 17:43     ` Allen Piscitello
2015-09-29 17:51       ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-29 17:55         ` Allen Piscitello [this message]
2015-09-29 18:01           ` Gavin Andresen
2015-09-29 18:23             ` Allen Piscitello
2015-09-30 16:14               ` Jorge Timón
2015-09-29 18:02           ` Mike Hearn

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAJfRnm4WwtNvChcCGCzDLJZrg3VZqJz-X-XXC0Ftyga3x=P8-w@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=allen.piscitello@gmail$(echo .)com \
    --cc=bitcoin-dev@lists$(echo .)linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=hearn@vinumeris$(echo .)com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox