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From: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32•com>
To: ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail•com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Tom Trevethan <tom@commerceblock•com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Blinded 2-party Musig2
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:25:00 -0400	[thread overview]
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as long as all parties provide a proof of secret key along with their
public key, that should not be possible

or you can do it as a two-step process where all parties provide a
commitment to the public key and nobody reveals a public key until that
commitment is received

or if you want to be paranoid you can do both

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 7:00 AM ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Good morning Tom,
>
> Would this allow party 2 to itself be composed of N >= 2 parties?
>
> MuSig2 (as opposed to MuSig1) requires that signatories provide multiple
> `R` points, not just one each, which are finally aggregated by first
> combining them using the MuSig() public key compose function.
> This prevents party 2 from creating an `R` that may allow it to perform
> certain attacks whose name escapes me right now but which I used to know.
> (it is the reason why MuSig1 requires 3 round trips, and why MuSig2
> requires at least 2 `R` nonces per signatory)
>
> Your scheme has only one `R` per party, would it not be vulnerably to that
> attack?
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Monday, July 24th, 2023 at 7:46 AM, Tom Trevethan via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>
> > We are implementing a version of 2-of-2 Schnorr Musig2 for statechains
> where the server (party 1 in the 2-of-2) will be fully 'blinded' - in that
> it can hold a private key that is required to generate an aggregate
> signature on an aggregate public key, but that it does not learn either: 1)
> The aggregate public key 2) The aggregate signature and 3) The message (m)
> being signed.
> >
> > In the model of blinded statechains, the security rests on the
> statechain server being trusted to report the NUMBER of partial signatures
> it has generated for a particular key (as opposed to being trusted to
> enforce rules on WHAT it has signed in the unblinded case) and the full set
> of signatures generated being verified client side
> https://github.com/commerceblock/mercury/blob/master/doc/merc_blind.md#blinding-considerations
> >
> > Given the 2-of-2 musig2 protocol operates as follows (in the following
> description, private keys (field elements) are denoted using lower case
> letters, and elliptic curve points as uppercase letters. G is the generator
> point and point multiplication denoted as X = xG and point addition as A =
> G + G):
> >
> > Party 1 generates private key x1 and public key X1 = x1G. Party 2
> generates private key x2 and public key X2 = x2G. The set of pubkeys is L =
> {X1,X2}. The key aggregation coefficient is KeyAggCoef(L,X) = H(L,X). The
> shared (aggregate) public key X = a1X1 + a2X2 where a1 = KeyAggCoef(L,X1)
> and a2 = KeyAggCoef(L,X2).
> >
> > To sign a message m, party 1 generates nonce r1 and R1 = r1G. Party 2
> generates nonce r2 and R2 = r2G. These are aggregated into R = R1 + R2.
> >
> > Party 1 then computes 'challenge' c = H(X||R||m) and s1 = c.a1.x1 + r1
> > Party 2 then computes 'challenge' c = H(X||R||m) and s2 = c.a2.x2 + r2
> >
> > The final signature is then (R,s1+s2).
> >
> > In the case of blinding this for party 1:
> >
> > To prevent party 1 from learning of either the full public key or final
> signature seems straightforward, if party 1 doesn't not need to
> independently compute and verify c = H(X||R||m) (as they are blinded from
> the message in any case).
> >
> > 1) Key aggregation is performed only by party 2. Party 1 just sends X1
> to party 2.
> > 2) Nonce aggregation is performed only by party 2. Party 1 just sends R1
> to party 2.
> > 3) Party 2 computes c = H(X||R||m) and sends it to party 1 in order to
> compute s1 = c.a1.x1 + r1
> >
> > Party 1 never learns the final value of (R,s1+s2) or m.
> >
> > Any comments on this or potential issues would be appreciated.
> >
> > Tom
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-24 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-24  7:46 Tom Trevethan
2023-07-24 10:50 ` ZmnSCPxj
2023-07-24 14:25   ` Erik Aronesty [this message]
2023-07-24 16:08     ` Tom Trevethan
2023-07-24 15:57   ` Tom Trevethan
2023-07-24 14:12 ` Jonas Nick
2023-07-24 14:40   ` Erik Aronesty
2023-07-24 15:40     ` Jonas Nick
2023-07-24 16:51   ` AdamISZ
2023-07-25 14:12     ` Erik Aronesty
2023-07-25 16:05       ` Tom Trevethan
2023-07-26  4:09         ` Erik Aronesty
2023-07-26 17:40           ` Andrew Poelstra
2023-07-26 19:59           ` Jonas Nick
2023-07-26 20:35             ` Tom Trevethan
2023-07-26 22:06               ` Erik Aronesty
2023-07-27  2:54                 ` Lloyd Fournier
2023-07-27  8:07               ` Jonas Nick
     [not found]                 ` <CAJvkSsfa8rzbwXiatZBpwQ6d4d94yLQifK8gyq3k-rq_1SH4OQ@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-27 13:25                   ` [bitcoin-dev] Fwd: " Tom Trevethan
2023-08-07  0:55                     ` [bitcoin-dev] " Tom Trevethan
2023-08-08 17:44                       ` moonsettler
2023-08-09 15:14                         ` Tom Trevethan
2023-08-10  3:30                           ` Lloyd Fournier
2023-08-10 11:59                             ` Tom Trevethan
2023-08-14  6:31                               ` Lloyd Fournier
2023-08-30 10:52                       ` Tom Trevethan
2023-07-24 15:39 ` Jonas Nick
2023-07-24 16:22   ` Tom Trevethan
2023-07-26  9:44   ` moonsettler
2023-07-26 14:59     ` Jonas Nick
2023-07-26 19:19     ` AdamISZ
2023-07-26 19:28       ` moonsettler
2023-07-27  5:51         ` AdamISZ
     [not found] <mailman.125690.1690381971.956.bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
2023-07-26 16:32 ` Tom Trevethan

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