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From: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32•com>
To: Billy Tetrud <billy.tetrud@gmail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Towards a means of measuring user support for Soft Forks
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:13:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJowKgL5kgWkSB=8ioFkfCxmRJLif-P4VSvX04Ubz_h8A3XYtA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGpPWDaDRROKQdQ0WcK-RHo5=dQL6tD=LcQbqfS6p8ZEWkpEmA@mail.gmail.com>

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>
>
> Have you taken a look at my proposal
> <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-March/020146.html>?
> The proposal is, to be clear, *not* "voting" but rather polling that isn't
> programmatically connected to activation. The intention is for people
> (developers) to look at the polling results and make an educated analysis
> of it as far as how it should contribute to consensus gathering.
>

it's cool, and i agree it's somewhat censorship resistant


> Let's say everyone who participates in polling broadcasts it along the
> bitcoin network (a separate network would probably be better, so as to not
> interfere with normal bitcoin, but I digress),
>

right, anyone can then publish a json file with polling aggregates at a
certain block height and anyone can quickly check to see if they are lying
or missing data


> Similar structures could be added to any script configuration to allow
> signing of polls without any significant exposure.
>

rubin's suggestion around tapscript anon voting could help with anonymity

.... all of this is cool ...

but it doesn't address the "what about people who don't know there's a vote
going on"  or other the other social issues with "weighted polling" in
general, like how nonexperts can "have a say" when they simply don't
understand the relevant issues.  i personally feel like i'm "only a very
little bit up on the issues" and i have more tech knowledge than most
people i know

also, it will just be a poll of "people who pay attention to the dev list
and maybe some irc rooms"

might be worth experimenting with... but unless there's a great ux around
the tooling my guess is that it won't garner a lot of meaningful data:

open source, simple cli, gitian build, installs easily on all platforms,
works well with bitcoind rpc, works with ledger, can import a seed, etc.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-27 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-26 19:37 Keagan McClelland
2022-04-26 20:39 ` Bryan Bishop
2022-04-27  3:04   ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-27 14:01     ` Chris Riley
2022-04-27 14:28       ` Erik Aronesty
2022-04-27 16:17         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-27 20:13           ` Erik Aronesty [this message]
2022-04-28  5:18             ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-28 16:09               ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-28 16:35                 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-30  6:14                   ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-01 22:41                     ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-27 15:27 ` Ryan Grant
2022-04-27 17:22 ` micaroni
2022-04-27 18:32   ` Keagan McClelland
2022-04-28  5:26     ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-04-28  8:03     ` micaroni
2022-04-27 17:54 ` Jeremy Rubin
2022-04-28  0:16 ` Nadav Ivgi

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