* [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Rate Limiting with server specified Proof of Work challenges @ 2017-05-08 2:48 Karl Johan Alm 2017-05-08 18:58 ` Erik Aronesty 2017-05-19 4:09 ` Karl Johan Alm 0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Karl Johan Alm @ 2017-05-08 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Hello, I am proposing a new feature for rate limiting purposes where nodes can make and solve arbitrary PoW challenges in return for connection slots (to be expanded to cover e.g. bloom filters or other DoS risky services). The BIP currently includes two proofs of work (sha256 and cuckoo-cycle) which can be combined (e.g. sha256(cuckoo-cycle) or sha256(sha256(sha256)), etc). Link: https://github.com/kallewoof/bips/blob/pow-connection-slots/bip-rate-limiting-via-pow.mediawiki Feedback welcome. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Rate Limiting with server specified Proof of Work challenges 2017-05-08 2:48 [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Rate Limiting with server specified Proof of Work challenges Karl Johan Alm @ 2017-05-08 18:58 ` Erik Aronesty 2017-05-09 1:15 ` Karl Johan Alm 2017-05-19 4:09 ` Karl Johan Alm 1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Erik Aronesty @ 2017-05-08 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Karl Johan Alm; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1204 bytes --] - It would be cool if any rate-limiting POW was specified as bytecode ... so nodes can plug in as many "machine-captcha" things as they please, and solvers can choose to solve... or just say "nope too hard". - Alternately, it would be a lot nicer if you just required people to pay a nanobit .... that could prevent DDOS even better, and generate a revenue stream for nodes. On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Karl Johan Alm via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I am proposing a new feature for rate limiting purposes where nodes > can make and solve arbitrary PoW challenges in return for connection > slots (to be expanded to cover e.g. bloom filters or other DoS risky > services). > > The BIP currently includes two proofs of work (sha256 and > cuckoo-cycle) which can be combined (e.g. sha256(cuckoo-cycle) or > sha256(sha256(sha256)), etc). > > Link: https://github.com/kallewoof/bips/blob/pow-connection- > slots/bip-rate-limiting-via-pow.mediawiki > > Feedback welcome. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1970 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Rate Limiting with server specified Proof of Work challenges 2017-05-08 18:58 ` Erik Aronesty @ 2017-05-09 1:15 ` Karl Johan Alm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Karl Johan Alm @ 2017-05-09 1:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Erik Aronesty; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Erik, On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:58 AM, Erik Aronesty <erik@q32•com> wrote: > - It would be cool if any rate-limiting POW was specified as bytecode ... so > nodes can plug in as many "machine-captcha" things as they please, and > solvers can choose to solve... or just say "nope too hard". I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but right now you can make an arbitrary chain of challenges, and the BIP includes methods for determining an approximate time to solve (nodes will, at the very least, discard any challenge which will on average take longer time to solve than the expiration of the challenge itself, for example, i.e. the "nope too hard" part). > - Alternately, it would be a lot nicer if you just required people to pay a > nanobit .... that could prevent DDOS even better, and generate a revenue > stream for nodes. Others mentioned this approach. I haven't given it much thought. Admittedly it would be an effective way to prevent DoS but it also has some unwanted side effects that need to be cleared up (e.g. in a no-gains scenario like the BIP proposes, the node requesting PoW done doesn't *gain* anything from lying to the node performing the work). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Rate Limiting with server specified Proof of Work challenges 2017-05-08 2:48 [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Rate Limiting with server specified Proof of Work challenges Karl Johan Alm 2017-05-08 18:58 ` Erik Aronesty @ 2017-05-19 4:09 ` Karl Johan Alm 1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Karl Johan Alm @ 2017-05-19 4:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Hello, Some time has passed since this was initially posted, and I have not received any negative feedback. If no objections are raised, I would like to have a BIP number assigned. On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Karl Johan Alm <karljohan-alm@garage•co.jp> wrote: > Hello, > > I am proposing a new feature for rate limiting purposes where nodes > can make and solve arbitrary PoW challenges in return for connection > slots (to be expanded to cover e.g. bloom filters or other DoS risky > services). > > The BIP currently includes two proofs of work (sha256 and > cuckoo-cycle) which can be combined (e.g. sha256(cuckoo-cycle) or > sha256(sha256(sha256)), etc). > > Link: https://github.com/kallewoof/bips/blob/pow-connection-slots/bip-rate-limiting-via-pow.mediawiki > > Feedback welcome. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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