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From: Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com>
To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Demonstrating Pinning Attacks under Real-World Conditions
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 21:12:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALZpt+EM1ysYErpGneuP_d+MjhQcaG7d2_EtRm2WYGFfLYuBsA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZtcIDJkfQp7uh+Kj@petertodd.org>

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> That also happens to be my Alice OpenTimestamps calendar, in production,
so
> please don't do anything you expect to be CPU or RAM intensive. But if you
> accidentally take down the server, not the end of the world: OTS is a very
> redundant protocol and one calendar going down for a few hours is
unlikely to
> do any harm.
>
> It has about $400 of outgoing capacity at the moment, and $2000 inbound.
It
> gets hardly any donations at the moment, so if you manage to knock LND
offline
> that's no big deal.
>
> That's not my money - it's donations to the OTS calendars that I have no
right
> to spend - so I'll ask you to pay for any expenses incurred by it during
> testing, and make a $100 net donation when you're done testing to make it
> worthwhile for the OTS community. If you manage to lose more than that on
> justice transactions, I'll consider that a donation. :)

Many thanks Peter for that.

No worries, I won't play with CPU or RAM, it's just all the
transaction-relay
and mempool logic that one can interfere with. I'll make you whole of the
$2400
if the LND node goes down too hard, though I'm just looking for a node
running
on mainnet, for a pinning the attacker has two open to channels and
re-balance
the liquidity at its advantage a bit. I'll provide the liquidity by myself.

If you have an on-chain donation address on the OTS website (?), I'll make a
$100 donation now, it's a nice tool. And for the justice transaction...well
for some scenarios you can use the latest valid commitment state to pin no
risk
of being slashed by a justice transaction.

Best,
Antoine
ots hash: 19d9b61ed5238e2922205a0a0194e0830b260a691f45b4189b1d145f72c9e031

Le mar. 3 sept. 2024 à 13:58, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org> a écrit :

> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 02:10:15PM -0700, Antoine Riard wrote:
> > My utmost pleasure to demonstrate some pinning attacks on nodes under
> > real-world conditions.
>
> Antoine Riard: until Oct 1st, you have permission to test your attacks
> against
> my Lightning node running at:
>
>
> 023345274dd80a01c0e80ec48928188783f9bc5281be8f5057c050492f10711a5b@alice•opentimestamps.org:9735
>
> That also happens to be my Alice OpenTimestamps calendar, in production, so
> please don't do anything you expect to be CPU or RAM intensive. But if you
> accidentally take down the server, not the end of the world: OTS is a very
> redundant protocol and one calendar going down for a few hours is unlikely
> to
> do any harm.
>
> It has about $400 of outgoing capacity at the moment, and $2000 inbound. It
> gets hardly any donations at the moment, so if you manage to knock LND
> offline
> that's no big deal.
>
> That's not my money - it's donations to the OTS calendars that I have no
> right
> to spend - so I'll ask you to pay for any expenses incurred by it during
> testing, and make a $100 net donation when you're done testing to make it
> worthwhile for the OTS community. If you manage to lose more than that on
> justice transactions, I'll consider that a donation. :)
>
> --
> https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
>

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Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-27 21:10 Antoine Riard
2024-09-03 12:58 ` Peter Todd
2024-09-03 20:12   ` Antoine Riard [this message]

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