* [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC @ 2022-11-01 0:47 Antoine Riard 2022-11-14 2:21 ` Antoine Riard 2022-11-15 23:47 ` Antoine Riard 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-01 0:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1569 bytes --] Hi list, After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2 weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though dunno yet good frequency). If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during the 1st session [0]. Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions. No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process. If you have been working on a contracting protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there: https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues Let it know if you have more questions or feedback. Cheers, Antoine [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe. [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1756 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC 2022-11-01 0:47 [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-14 2:21 ` Antoine Riard 2022-11-15 22:36 ` alicexbt 2022-11-15 23:47 ` Antoine Riard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-14 2:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2110 bytes --] Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday. Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas! Best, Antoine Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a écrit : > Hi list, > > After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were > actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2 > weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my > experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in > the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though > dunno yet good frequency). > > If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in > the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during > the 1st session [0]. > > Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat > [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions. > > No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their > expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening > with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process. > > If you have been working on a contracting > protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from > extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there: > https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues > > Let it know if you have more questions or feedback. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we > can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we > start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe. > > [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings > rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2542 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC 2022-11-14 2:21 ` Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-15 22:36 ` alicexbt 2022-11-15 23:49 ` Antoine Riard 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: alicexbt @ 2022-11-15 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Antoine Riard; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2752 bytes --] Hi Bitcoin Developers, > Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas! Wanted to add CTV: BIP-119 OP_CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY if OP missed it. Easiest and best possible way to get covenants aka tx introspection with lot of research and development. /dev/fd0 Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, November 14th, 2022 at 7:51 AM, Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday. > Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas! > Best, > Antoine > > Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a écrit : > >> Hi list, >> >> After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2 weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though dunno yet good frequency). >> >> If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during the 1st session [0]. >> >> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions. >> >> No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process. >> >> If you have been working on a contracting protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there: https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues >> >> Let it know if you have more questions or feedback. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> >> [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe. >> >> [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4646 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC 2022-11-15 22:36 ` alicexbt @ 2022-11-15 23:49 ` Antoine Riard 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-15 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: alicexbt; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3216 bytes --] Hi alicexbt, CTV is listed here: https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/tree/main/primitives as one of the primitive subject of research. Contributions are welcome. Best, Antoine Le mar. 15 nov. 2022 à 17:37, alicexbt <alicexbt@protonmail•com> a écrit : > Hi Bitcoin Developers, > > Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts > about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: > anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK > rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas! > > > Wanted to add CTV: BIP-119 OP_CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY if OP missed it. > Easiest and best possible way to get covenants aka tx introspection with > lot of research and development. > > /dev/fd0 > > Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email. > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Monday, November 14th, 2022 at 7:51 AM, Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday. > > Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts > about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: > anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK > rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas! > > Best, > Antoine > > Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a > écrit : > >> Hi list, >> >> After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were >> actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2 >> weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my >> experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in >> the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though >> dunno yet good frequency). >> >> If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in >> the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during >> the 1st session [0]. >> >> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat >> [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions. >> >> No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their >> expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening >> with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process. >> >> If you have been working on a contracting >> protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from >> extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there: >> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues >> >> Let it know if you have more questions or feedback. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> >> [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we >> can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we >> start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe. >> >> [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings >> rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs. >> > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 5202 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC 2022-11-01 0:47 [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC Antoine Riard 2022-11-14 2:21 ` Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-15 23:47 ` Antoine Riard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-15 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3131 bytes --] Hi list, 1st meeting did happen this afternoon with like ~10 attendees, we browsed the covenant interests of everyone: state channels, universal settlement layer, transaction introspection covenants, vaults/self-custody, MATT covenants, logical label covenant like transaction inherited IDs, congestion control, DLC and few more. One of the goal of the process suggested by one of the attendee could be to address "1) misunderstanding of the state of development and desire for some covenant-style upgrade, 2) coordinating around goals, drawbacks and overlap of different proposals and 3) helping to highlight consensus building around the goals and mechanism to achieve them". Next meeting aims to do a 360 degree panorama of all the known consistent contracting primitives as well as the contracting protocols in an archiving effort. If you have more contracting primitives to pin, feel free to modify: https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/tree/main/primitives Frequency schedule is for now every month, staying on the 3rd Tuesday of every month. I'll announce them on time on the mailing list. Meetings log available here: https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/blob/main/meetings/meetings-15-11.md If you have more suggestions to improve the process, feel free to comment. Best, Antoine Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a écrit : > Hi list, > > After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were > actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2 > weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my > experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in > the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though > dunno yet good frequency). > > If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in > the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during > the 1st session [0]. > > Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat > [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions. > > No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their > expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening > with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process. > > If you have been working on a contracting > protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from > extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there: > https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues > > Let it know if you have more questions or feedback. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we > can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we > start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe. > > [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings > rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3753 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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