> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there > been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email. > As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack, > Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday > April 22nd. ACK. Beyond that, I'll stick to my mail of the 1st April and I won't comment further on the subject of nominating new BIP editors. If anyone has thoughts on how to improve the BIP process for the _future_, I think real-or-random started a new thread called "Time for an update to BIP2?". Anyone can express themselves there and then start to champion a new BIP of type "process". Best, Antoine Le dim. 21 avr. 2024 à 20:08, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List a écrit : > On 04/21/2024 01:57 PM, Michael Folkson wrote: > > So once a BIP number is allocated (or before) the BIP author can write > > whatever they like on that BIP? Including false and misleading > > statements? And the BIP editors have to merge it as long as it meets > > formatting requirements? > > I did not say that they can write anything, do not put words in my > mouth. Modifications to a BIP are held to the same standard as when it > is initially proposed. This standard is largely about formatting, but > also about keeping BIPs as actual technical specifications. So long as > the BIP after those modifications meet those requirements, then BIP > editors should merge them. > > > A misleading statement like "This soft fork will definitely activate > > at block X as it has been merged into implementation Y. It hasn't been > > merged into Bitcoin Core yet but Bitcoin Core will merge the soft fork > > after the activation" > > BIPs are specifications. They are not blog posts. They are not the place > for opining about whether or not something will activate. Such > statements would be off topic for a BIP and do not meet the standard for > merging, so no, I do not think that should be merged, and I do not think > any of the proposed BIP editors would merge such a PR. > > > > > This is a step change from before. If we aren't relying on *any* > > judgment then there might as well be 100 BIP editors. Because the > > editors aren't doing anything, each BIP author (or champion) has total > > license to write whatever they like on their BIP. > > > >> They are not arbiters of what is activated on Bitcoin. They are not > gatekeepers of soft forks. > > > > Of course not. The BIP editors do not decide what is activated on > > Bitcoin. But they are gatekeepers on ensuring BIPs are high quality > > and don't include false and misleading statements. Because false and > > misleading statements can impact the evolution of an activation > > process. > > > > I tried. Based on your perspective all we need is one malicious BIP > > author (or champion) and they'll make the entire BIP process a joke > > and the BIP editors won't be able to do anything. > > You are being deliberately obtuse and strawmanning. I did not say that > the BIP editors won't be able to do anything; I did not say that that a > BIP author can put whatever they want once they get a BIP number. > > I suggest that you read the BIP process thread split from this one for > opinions on how to refine the BIPs process to make it clearer as to what > BIP editors should be merging. > > Frankly, I don't understand what it is your are arguing for or trying to > achieve. You make absurd claims, use strawman arguments, and throw out > whataboutisms. This all seems to me to be concern trolling, and as such, > I see no reason to continue responding to you. > > Ava > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 5:39 PM Ava Chow wrote: > >> > >> You are misunderstanding the role of BIP editors. They are not arbiters > >> of what is activated on Bitcoin. They are not gatekeepers of soft forks. > >> If a BIP author proposes or agrees with a change to their BIP and those > >> changes are formatted correctly, it is not the BIP editors' rights nor > >> responsibilities to refuse to merge that change. As with Bitcoin Core > >> maintainers, BIP editing is a largely janitorial role. > >> > >> Just because something is a BIP does not mean it is a good idea. Just > >> because a BIP specifying a fork contains deployment parameters does not > >> mean it will actually be deployed. There are several BIPs for both hard > >> and soft forks that are rejected or withdrawn that have deployment > >> parameters. > >> > >> Furthermore, for myself, I would actually prefer that contentious soft > >> forks for which some people are legitimately attempting to activate have > >> their deployment parameters be specified in a/the BIP. Having competing > >> activation parameters in different BIPs is preferable over the > >> documentation being spread around in many different places. It makes it > >> much easier for implementations to inform users what they've actually > >> implemented so that users can make a more informed decision. > >> > >> On 04/21/2024 07:43 AM, Michael Folkson wrote: > >>> Ava > >>> > >>> Thanks for the detailed response, I appreciate the insight. > >>> > >>>>> I'm even more concerned about future soft fork activation attempts. > >>>>> These don't necessarily need to be attempted via a Bitcoin Core > merged > >>>>> pull request hence the BIPs repo could be a key source of information > >>>>> and guidance on this. > >>> > >>>> This concern doesn't make any sense. There are already multiple soft > and > >>>> hard fork BIPs that are not active nor good ideas. A BIP does not need > >>>> to be a good idea. > >>> > >>> I would hope that a contentious soft fork and activation params for > >>> that contentious soft fork would not be merged into the Bitcoin Core > >>> codebase and up until now it hasn't been. I would hope all the Bitcoin > >>> Core maintainers understand that even if they personally think a soft > >>> fork is a good idea (apparently there is nothing to stop them merging > >>> it without discussing it with the other maintainers) that they > >>> shouldn't independently merge it if it is contentious. > >>> > >>> Similarly I would hope that all BIP editors would be careful about > >>> what information gets merged around soft fork activation *attempts* > >>> whether that be activation details on a particular soft fork BIP or on > >>> a separate activation BIP. With Taproot there were very strong > >>> disagreements over activation parameters for a non-contentious soft > >>> fork. It would be much messier for a contentious soft fork activation > >>> attempt. I'm not sure all these new BIP editors understand that or > >>> would perhaps even agree with that. For example Laolu is listed as a > >>> supporter of a CTV activation attempt back in 2022 [0] which was > >>> clearly contentious. That doesn't inspire me with confidence that as > >>> soon as he is a BIP editor he won't start merging details on > >>> contentious soft fork activation attempts in BIPs and merging that > >>> soft fork in say btcd. He would need to be removed as a BIP editor if > >>> he were to do something like that. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Michael > >>> > >>> [0]: https://utxos.org/signals/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 12:05 AM Ava Chow wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 04/20/2024 06:21 PM, Michael Folkson wrote: > >>>>> It is inevitable there will be a "revert war" unless they all have to > >>>>> agree on merge decisions or communicate prior to merging. It is just > a > >>>>> matter of time. Does for example Ordinal Numbers get a BIP number? I > >>>>> suspect all the new BIP editors won't agree on that. > >>>> > >>>> Why do you think that a revert war is inevitable? > >>>> > >>>> The Bitcoin Core repo operates in a similar way - the maintainers are > >>>> independent and work autonomously. The maintainers do not have to > agree > >>>> on merge decisions nor do they communicate prior to merging. If > there's > >>>> disagreement about a merge decision, we talk to each other about it > like > >>>> adults and come to a mutually agreeable resolution. I don't think > >>>> there's ever been a revert war in the history of Bitcoin. > >>>> > >>>> I would expect that when there is something that is likely to be > >>>> controversial or is ambiguous that it should be a BIP that they would > >>>> then talk to each other about it. It doesn't have to be all or > nothing - > >>>> they can do most work without communicating, but when there's > questions > >>>> or ambiguity, then they communicate. > >>>> > >>>>> Who is to blame in a "revert war" if each editor is free to merge > >>>>> whatever pull request they like? The editor who merged it? Why should > >>>>> they be removed as an editor for merging a pull request when they > find > >>>>> out later a different editor disagreed with that merge decision and > >>>>> wants to revert the merge? > >>>> > >>>> A revert war would be someone merging a PR that reverts another, then > >>>> someone else (opening then) merging a PR that reverts that, and it > goes > >>>> back and forth. It would not be limited to PRs only. This would likely > >>>> be super obvious too that they are controversially merging things as I > >>>> would be surprised if other BIP editors didn't comment on any of those > >>>> actions, besides the fact that many people do also watch the BIPs > repo. > >>>> Regardless, the blame is on those who are doing the reverting, and > would > >>>> be both sides. > >>>> > >>>>> I'm even more concerned about future soft fork activation attempts. > >>>>> These don't necessarily need to be attempted via a Bitcoin Core > merged > >>>>> pull request hence the BIPs repo could be a key source of information > >>>>> and guidance on this. > >>>> > >>>> This concern doesn't make any sense. There are already multiple soft > and > >>>> hard fork BIPs that are not active nor good ideas. A BIP does not need > >>>> to be a good idea. > >>>> > >>>>> I've seen Wladimir is contributing again to Core. Is there a plan to > >>>>> give him commit access again? > >>>> > >>>> It would have to be through the typical maintainer process, although I > >>>> doubt that he even wants it. But that's completely orthogonal to the > >>>> BIPs repo discussion. > >>>> > >>>>> I'd be more comfortable with him > >>>>> overseeing things in the various repos under the Bitcoin Core > >>>>> (/bitcoin) GitHub org as it sounds like you don't really care if the > >>>>> BIPs repo degenerates into a free for all. > >>>> > >>>> I don't understand why you assume that. > >>>> > >>>> I've said this before, but if I see a revert war going on in the BIPs > >>>> repo, I will remove those involved immediately and make a thread on > the > >>>> list to discuss what to do about them. But I doubt that's a scenario > >>>> that will actually come to pass. > >>>> > >>>> Ava > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> Michael > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 10:15 PM 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development > >>>>> Mailing List wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 04/20/2024 04:46 PM, Steve Lee wrote: > >>>>>>> Wasn't there evidence provided that Kanzure does not want this > >>>>>>> responsibility without being paid? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am not aware of that, and it hasn't come up when I've talked to > him > >>>>>> about being a BIPs editor. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm confused by this process that we don't even ask the people if > they > >>>>>>> want the responsibility? I think only Laolu has chimed in to > commit to it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Personally, I've spoken to all 5 privately and they've all > confirmed to > >>>>>> me that they are willing to be BIPs editors. Jonatack[1] and > Murch[2] > >>>>>> have also replied to this thread about this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ava > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1]: > >>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/83b69000-ca1e-4a58-90b5-114cb09ac0bbn@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>>> [2]: > >>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e778@murch.one/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:30 PM 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development > >>>>>>> Mailing List >>>>>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like > to inform > >>>>>>> everyone of what will happen on Monday. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees > nor have there > >>>>>>> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my > last email. > >>>>>>> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, > Jonatack, > >>>>>>> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added > on Monday > >>>>>>> April 22nd. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ava > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development > Mailing List > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a > lot to add at > >>>>>>> > once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which > subset of the > >>>>>>> > nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen > an actual > >>>>>>> > objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no > explicit > >>>>>>> objections > >>>>>>> > to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of > people don't share > >>>>>>> > their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue > to be > >>>>>>> endorsed > >>>>>>> > by many others. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, > the current > >>>>>>> > counts are: > >>>>>>> > * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against > >>>>>>> > * Murch - 13 for > >>>>>>> > * Jonatack - 13 for > >>>>>>> > * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against > >>>>>>> > * Roasbeef - 9 for > >>>>>>> > * Michael Folkson - none > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > However, I don't want this process to become a > popularity contest and > >>>>>>> > require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer > that this > >>>>>>> process > >>>>>>> > be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are > added - by > >>>>>>> > achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit > objections to any of > >>>>>>> > these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with > adding the 5 who > >>>>>>> > have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" > from this list > >>>>>>> > seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't > think anyone > >>>>>>> really > >>>>>>> > wants to deal with. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor > Roasbeef have > >>>>>>> posted > >>>>>>> > on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I > have > >>>>>>> reached out > >>>>>>> > to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from > Kanzure and > >>>>>>> > Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but > public > >>>>>>> > confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. > I have not > >>>>>>> > received a response from Roasbeef. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Ava > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote: > >>>>>>> >> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on > this > >>>>>>> task, so > >>>>>>> >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten > by the group > >>>>>>> >> majority. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the > better here. > >>>>>>> Having > >>>>>>> >> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the > commons, in > >>>>>>> which people > >>>>>>> >> just commit to the job because many others do, and they > do not > >>>>>>> end up > >>>>>>> >> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. > This does not > >>>>>>> >> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones > that end up > >>>>>>> >> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up > being too far > >>>>>>> from > >>>>>>> >> their expectations. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I think being more moderate with the amount of people > is better, and > >>>>>>> >> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being > excessive and > >>>>>>> we need > >>>>>>> >> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining > and > >>>>>>> slacking off). > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start > from. > >>>>>>> >> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben > based on > >>>>>>> their track > >>>>>>> >> record in the space > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30 PM nvk >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> >> > wrote: > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> +1 for > >>>>>>> >> Kanzure > >>>>>>> >> RubenSomsen > >>>>>>> >> Seccour > >>>>>>> >> Jon Atack > >>>>>>> >> Roasbeef > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on > this task, so > >>>>>>> >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten > by the group > >>>>>>> >> majority. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not > enforce ideas. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I'd like to return to that. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - NVK (temp gmail account) > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54 PM UTC-4 David > A. > >>>>>>> Harding wrote: > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote: > >>>>>>> >> > Please provide justification rather than > simply > >>>>>>> saying "I > >>>>>>> >> like Bob!". > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Using only comments from the mailing list, the > >>>>>>> following appears > >>>>>>> >> to be > >>>>>>> >> the candidate list along with the current > support. > >>>>>>> Asterisks denote > >>>>>>> >> candidates who indicated their willingness to > accept > >>>>>>> the role. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava > Chow[1], Chris > >>>>>>> >> Stewart[3], > >>>>>>> >> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt > Corallo[10], > >>>>>>> Brandon > >>>>>>> >> Black[11], > >>>>>>> >> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine > Poinsot[15], John > >>>>>>> >> Carvalho[16] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], > Chris > >>>>>>> Stewart[3], > >>>>>>> >> Michael > >>>>>>> >> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], > Antoine > >>>>>>> Poinsot[15], John > >>>>>>> >> Carvalho[16] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], > Chris > >>>>>>> Stewart[3], > >>>>>>> >> /dev/fd0[5][7], > >>>>>>> >> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava > Chow[14], John > >>>>>>> >> Carvalho[16] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended > by Chris > >>>>>>> >> Stewart[3], John > >>>>>>> >> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan > McClelland[8], > >>>>>>> Antoine > >>>>>>> >> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael > >>>>>>> Folkson[6], Keagan > >>>>>>> >> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon > Black[11], Antoine > >>>>>>> >> Riard[12], > >>>>>>> >> Ava Chow[14] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - Michael Folkson* > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and > Greg Tonoski for > >>>>>>> >> "non-dev > >>>>>>> >> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for > "BIP > >>>>>>> editor", and > >>>>>>> >> Antoine > >>>>>>> >> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized > PM". > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see > if any of > >>>>>>> the above > >>>>>>> >> candidates had been especially active there, > which is > >>>>>>> listed > >>>>>>> >> below as: > >>>>>>> >> total PRs they commented on (number still > open/number > >>>>>>> closed). > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure > >>>>>>> >> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen > >>>>>>> >> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack > >>>>>>> >> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef > >>>>>>> >> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus > >>>>>>> >> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only > member of the > >>>>>>> set to > >>>>>>> >> have a > >>>>>>> >> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I > believe > >>>>>>> there are > >>>>>>> >> far-along > >>>>>>> >> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and > Somsen (Silent > >>>>>>> >> Payments). I > >>>>>>> >> don't think this should be a requirement, but > I do think it > >>>>>>> >> demonstrates > >>>>>>> >> familiarity with the process. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the > candidates > >>>>>>> above with > >>>>>>> >> multiple recommendations from other community > >>>>>>> participants are > >>>>>>> >> fully > >>>>>>> >> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a > detailed > >>>>>>> >> justification > >>>>>>> >> for the person who would be my first pick: > Murch is not > >>>>>>> only a > >>>>>>> >> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin > contributor, but > >>>>>>> (as Corallo > >>>>>>> >> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing > terminology > >>>>>>> through a > >>>>>>> >> draft > >>>>>>> >> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely > detailed > >>>>>>> review of > >>>>>>> >> all 300 > >>>>>>> >> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd > edition) and has > >>>>>>> >> reviewed > >>>>>>> >> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, > in both cases > >>>>>>> >> significantly improving the accuracy and > >>>>>>> comprehensibility of the > >>>>>>> >> documentation. To me, that seems very similar > to the > >>>>>>> work we'd > >>>>>>> >> ask him > >>>>>>> >> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something > that > >>>>>>> he's already > >>>>>>> >> doing, > >>>>>>> >> so I think there's an excellent fit of person > to role. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> -Dave > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> [1] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/ > >>>>>>> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [2] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/ > >>>>>>> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/> > >>>>>>> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [3] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.com/ < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc46f129a2n@googlegroups.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc46f129a2n@googlegroups.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [4] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com/ < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@netpurgatory.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@netpurgatory.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [5] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com/ < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@googlegroups.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@googlegroups.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [6] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.com/ < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639a3564d006n@googlegroups.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639a3564d006n@googlegroups.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [7] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com/ < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d346efbea1n@googlegroups.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d346efbea1n@googlegroups.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [8] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=wruqgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=wruqgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=wruqgLEazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=wruqgLEazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [9] > >>>>>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/ > >>>>>>> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/ > >>>>>>> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/>> > >>>>>>> >> [10] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/ < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/> < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba0336a9bf2@mattcorallo.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba0336a9bf2@mattcorallo.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [11] > >>>>>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/ > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> [12] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmail.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmail.com/> > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+EKMCP5oEbHSKSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/ > < > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+EKMCP5oEbHSKSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/ > >> > >>>>>>> >> [13] > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/ > >>>>>>> < > 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