From: Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail•com>
To: Stephen Pair <stephen@bitpay•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Chain dust mitigation: Demurrage based Chain Vacuuming
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:29:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALf2ePx95F68q4-5UPatRxMcKL7yAR1dtZY3UVcGuH1_hrWBnw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADb9v0+WiNiZcnLN-BUOKK6wwSYaV-y0zrVvrPcXMJAd89o3PQ@mail.gmail.com>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2113 bytes --]
These are all valid points. I hadn't really thought much about this point
until you all just brought it up. The reason I so quickly spout off that
phrase, is that I endlessly get requests from Armory users to implement
more anonymity-based features. When I say there are bigger priorities,
they suggest that "anonymity" is a core benefit of Bitcoin and I should be
supporting it. I'm not against anonymity, and I most certainly favor
privacy, but my goal was to produce a versatile client, not one focused on
any one aspect -- there are plenty of people who use it for other reasons
than anonymity.
However, I do like Greg's comment about "attacks" against a
blind-dust-inclusion algorithm, and suggestion to maintain a clustering of
already-linked addresses. That's not terribly difficult to do with the
transaction history in hand, and it could increase how often the logic
triggers. I suppose these hardcore SD players probably have a lot of
one-satoshi outputs that could use vacuuming...
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stephen Pair <stephen@bitpay•com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99•net> wrote:
>
>> Second thing, it's best to carefully separate "anonymity" from
>> "privacy". Privacy is supposed to be a feature of the system (it says
>> so in Satoshis paper) because people demand it. If I loan a tenner to
>> my friend and he is able to find out what I earned last month, then
>> that trade was neither anonymous nor private. In this case I want
>> privacy but anonymity isn't useful. Mixing up anonymity with privacy
>> is not only a public relations problem, but can lead to confusion from
>> users when they, eg, try and buy Bitcoins from an exchange and are
>> asked to provide ID proofs.
>
>
> I would like to second this point...privacy is essential because the
> market demands it. If Bitcoin doesn't do it well (and I would argue that
> it doesn't today), then eventually a competitor to Bitcoin will do it
> better and that would be the beginning of the end for Bitcoin. Debates
> about whether it was or wasn't a core feature are pointless.
>
[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2852 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-03 16:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-12-03 11:19 Michael Gronager
2012-12-03 12:05 ` Pieter Wuille
2012-12-03 12:24 ` Michael Gronager
2012-12-03 12:33 ` Pieter Wuille
2012-12-03 15:02 ` Gregory Maxwell
2012-12-03 15:17 ` Alan Reiner
2012-12-03 15:30 ` Mike Hearn
2012-12-03 16:18 ` Stephen Pair
2012-12-03 16:29 ` Alan Reiner [this message]
2012-12-03 19:50 ` Andreas Petersson
2012-12-03 20:14 ` Gregory Maxwell
2012-12-03 15:51 ` Gregory Maxwell
2012-12-03 12:40 ` Wladimir
2012-12-03 13:04 ` Michael Gronager
2012-12-03 15:00 ` Mike Hearn
2012-12-03 15:07 ` Gregory Maxwell
2012-12-03 15:09 ` Mike Hearn
2012-12-03 17:02 ` Mark Friedenbach
2012-12-04 9:54 ` Andy Parkins
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=CALf2ePx95F68q4-5UPatRxMcKL7yAR1dtZY3UVcGuH1_hrWBnw@mail.gmail.com \
--to=etotheipi@gmail$(echo .)com \
--cc=bitcoin-development@lists$(echo .)sourceforge.net \
--cc=stephen@bitpay$(echo .)com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox