* [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
@ 2025-03-17 3:38 Weikeng Chen
2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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From: Weikeng Chen @ 2025-03-17 3:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be
added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a
lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years,
CSFS isn't.
With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to
start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM
by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential
on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying
on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
Thanks,
Weikeng
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* Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
2025-03-17 3:38 [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Weikeng Chen
@ 2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2025-03-17 14:43 ` /dev /fd0
2025-03-17 22:52 ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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From: 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List @ 2025-03-17 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Weikeng Chen; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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I wouldn't go as far as saying it received "a lot" of support, but it did receive some and i agree it would be nice to have both opcodes being discussed on Signet.
The PR adding it to inquisition last year as part of LNHANCE was abandoned and closed a few months ago. Greg Sanders recently opened a WIP pull request to add CSFS on its own: https://github.com/bitcoin-inquisition/bitcoin/pull/72.
> This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
Looking forward to see some of that.
On Sunday, March 16th, 2025 at 11:38 PM, Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com> wrote:
> I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS isn't.
>
> With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
>
> Thanks,
> Weikeng
>
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* Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
2025-03-17 3:38 [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Weikeng Chen
2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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2025-03-17 22:52 ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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From: /dev /fd0 @ 2025-03-17 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Weikeng,
I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No
objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin
developers.
Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support for it on
[twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].
[0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
[1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818
[2]: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28
/dev/fd0
floppy disk guy
On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com>
wrote:
> I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be
> added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a
> lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years,
> CSFS isn't.
>
> With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to
> start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM
> by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential
> on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying
> on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
>
> Thanks,
> Weikeng
>
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* Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
2025-03-17 3:38 [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Weikeng Chen
2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2025-03-17 14:43 ` /dev /fd0
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From: 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List @ 2025-03-17 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Weikeng,
CSFS is on signet. All the LNhance opcodes are on mutinynet.
https://github.com/lnhance/mutinynet-bitcoin/tree/mutinynet-cat-ln-hance
https://faucet.mutinynet.com/
[signet]
signetchallenge=512102f7561d208dd9ae99bf497273e16f389bdbd6c4742ddb8e6b216e64fa2928ad8f51ae
addnode=45.79.52.207:38333
dnsseed=0
signetblocktime=30
BR,
moonsettler
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On Monday, March 17th, 2025 at 4:38 AM, Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com> wrote:
> I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS isn't.
> With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
>
> Thanks,
> Weikeng
>
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