Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Workshops and Activation for CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and CHECKSIGFROMSTACK

From: "/dev /fd0" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 08:58:32 +0530

Hi Antoine,

>  Why the 58 other names on the letter have not spent _their_ _free_ time
reviewing more CTV code ?

Some of them have reviewed CTV earlier in other pull requests and others
could be application developers who are interested in the use cases.

> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg (can transfer
you the repo ownership if you wish so)

Thanks for sharing the link. I found the [taproot workshops][0] repository
useful as well. I will create a new repository for CTV-CSFS workshops,
meetings etc. to document everything.

Workshop #1

Time: 28 August 2025 15:00 UTC
Channel: #ctv-csfs-activation on libera.chat

- Review and understand [BIP 119][1]
- Create basic CTV transactions on signet

[0]: https://github.com/bitcoinops/taproot-workshop
[1]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0119.mediawiki

/dev/fd0
floppy disk guy

On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 5:37 AM Antoine Riard <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hi Floppy,
>
> The call to review CTV has been published Jun. 9.
>
> On this letter, I can count ~60 names.
>
> Since the time of publication (2 months after), only 5 people have put a
> code review comment on #31989.
>
> Among the 5 people, only 2 were letter signatories (average-gary + stuxto).
>
> Why the 58 other names on the letter have not spent _their_ _free_ time
> reviewing more CTV code ?
>
> ...
>
> Now, of course anyone is free to patch CTV on top of knot and go to try
> the activation run with that.
>
> Personally, I still think we should aim for more neutral consensus
> development process...
>
> This was the intent with the bitcoin contracting primitives WG, done on an
> open IRC chan.
>
> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg (can transfer
> you the repo ownership if you wish so)
>
> Where rather to present a primitive proposal as a "done deal" from a "pow
> wow" of experts,
> the goal was to create a neutral online forum for discussion open to
> anyone in the world
> who self-estimate they qualify as an expert on bitcoin consensus...and
> humbly trying to
> do better than the mess of the 2015 - 2017 period w.r.t consensus changes.
>
> Best,
> Antoine
> OTS hash: 0d3c23682b630c9c85288ece8e1acae2f4a3c76254e16e36ccb6ca0fcef2556b
>
> Le lundi 18 août 2025 à 15:43:54 UTC+1, /dev /fd0 a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> IRC channel: #ctv-csfs-activation on libera.chat
>>
>> I [requested][0] the economic nodes to review different soft fork
>> proposals and share their opinion on 5 March 2025. Four entries were added
>> to the [wiki][1] and nobody has any objections to the proposals. Some
>> organizations do not want to publicly participate in this process to avoid
>> politics and drama.
>>
>> A [letter][2] was signed on 9 June 2025 by bitcoin developers to get more
>> core contributors involved in the review process. It was followed by a
>> [proposal][3] that makes a few changes to CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and combines
>> it with CHECKSIGFROMSTACK. Personally, I don't like that TEMPLATEHASH is
>> restricted to taproot and don't see anything wrong with
>> CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY. However, other developers may disagree with me and
>> have different opinion. I have created an IRC channel for workshops,
>> meetings, activation, etc.
>>
>> We can finalize a meeting schedule so we can use the IRC channel to move
>> closer to covenants activation on bitcoin.
>>
>> I think BIP 8 would be a better option for the next soft fork.
>> [Previously][4], some suggestions were [rejected][5] because knots was not
>> used by a large number of users. However, things have changed since then
>> and [~15%][6] of nodes use knots for bitcoin.
>>
>> [0]: https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/kd8g8V1NVOY/m/nE2y5V66AQAJ
>> [1]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
>> [2]: https://ctv-csfs.com/
>> [3]: https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/5wLThgegha4/m/iUWIZPIaCAAJ
>> [4]:
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/[email-masked]/
>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/[email-masked]/>
>> [5]:
>> https://diyhpl.us/cgit/pi-bitcoindev/plain/cc/877bbc8de83e7aa4d2252a0473d05d634946b4/dev/fd0
>> [6]: https://bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=knots#network-snapshot
>>
>> /dev/fd0
>> floppy disk guy
>>
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