From: "Russell O'Connor" <roconnor@blockstream•io>
To: dave@dtrt•org
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Safer sighashes and more granular SIGHASH_NOINPUT
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:36:59 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMZUoKnnEJ9=w3Q2a__WEd2gMWDxT55G7omRM5DTuaoEdm1H7Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181209224157.mytaebwmw5o5wifa@email>
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I don't believe that the default RBF policy works that way. My
understanding is that current policy requires an absolute fee increase (by
an amount related to incrementalrelayfee). There have been proposals to
change default RBF policy, however even my proposal <
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2018-February/015717.html>
still requires a minimal amount of absolute fee increase as a DoS defense.
(I'm reading your comment as attempting to rebroadcast the original
transaction with the same fee amount, with its relatively higher fee-rate).
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:00 AM David A. Harding <dave@dtrt•org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 11:57:09AM -0500, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev
> wrote:
> > One more item to consider is "signature covers witness weight".
> >
> > While signing the witness weight doesn't completely eliminate witness
> > malleability (of the kind that can cause grief for compact blocks), it
> does
> > eliminate the worst kind of witness malleability from the user's
> > perspective, the kind where malicious relay nodes increase the amount of
> > witness data and therefore reduce the overall fee-rate of the
> transaction.
>
> To what degree is this an actual problem? If the mutated transaction
> pays a feerate at least incremental-relay-fee[1] below the original
> transaction, then the original transaction can be rebroadcast as an RBF
> replacement of the mutated transaction (unless the mutated version has
> been pinned[2]).
>
> -Dave
>
> [1] $ bitcoind -help-debug | grep -A2 incremental
> -incrementalrelayfee=<amt>
> Fee rate (in BTC/kB) used to define cost of relay, used for mempool
> limiting and BIP 125 replacement. (default: 0.00001)
>
> [2]
> https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/80803/what-is-meant-by-transaction-pinning
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-11 15:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-19 22:37 Pieter Wuille
2018-11-20 20:29 ` Anthony Towns
2018-11-21 11:20 ` Christian Decker
2018-11-21 17:55 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-21 11:15 ` Christian Decker
2018-11-23 6:04 ` Anthony Towns
2018-11-23 9:40 ` Christian Decker
2018-11-24 8:13 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-21 17:07 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-11-22 14:28 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-22 16:23 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-11-22 20:52 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-22 22:10 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-11-23 10:47 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-23 5:03 ` Anthony Towns
2018-11-23 20:18 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-11-28 3:41 ` Pieter Wuille
2018-11-28 8:31 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-29 17:00 ` Christian Decker
2018-11-29 18:29 ` Christian Decker
2018-12-06 16:57 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-12-09 19:13 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-11 22:50 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-12-12 19:53 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-13 16:50 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-12-13 0:05 ` Anthony Towns
2018-12-13 16:21 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-12-14 0:47 ` Anthony Towns
[not found] ` <CAAS2fgRma+Pw-rHJSOKRVBqoxqJ3AxHO9d696fWoa-sb17JEOQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-13 16:34 ` Russell O'Connor
2018-12-09 22:41 ` David A. Harding
2018-12-11 15:36 ` Russell O'Connor [this message]
2018-12-11 17:47 ` David A. Harding
2018-12-12 9:42 ` Rusty Russell
2018-12-12 20:00 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-12 23:49 ` Rusty Russell
2018-12-13 0:37 ` Rusty Russell
2018-12-14 9:30 ` Anthony Towns
2018-12-14 13:55 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-17 3:10 ` Rusty Russell
2018-12-20 19:34 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-20 23:17 ` Rusty Russell
2018-12-21 18:54 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-23 4:26 ` Anthony Towns
2018-12-23 16:33 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-24 12:01 ` ZmnSCPxj
2018-12-24 21:23 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-16 6:55 ` Rusty Russell
2018-12-17 19:08 ` Johnson Lau
2018-12-18 4:22 ` Peter Todd
2018-12-19 0:39 ` Rusty Russell
2019-02-09 0:39 ` Pieter Wuille
2018-12-13 0:24 ` Anthony Towns
2018-11-28 0:54 Bob McElrath
2018-11-28 8:40 ` Johnson Lau
2018-11-28 14:04 ` Bob McElrath
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