* [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 implementation guidance
@ 2014-05-02 15:39 Mike Hearn
2014-05-02 19:21 ` Aaron Voisine
2014-05-02 20:41 ` Roy Badami
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From: Mike Hearn @ 2014-05-02 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Dev
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A bunch of different people either have implemented or are implementing
BIP70 at the moment. Here's a bunch of things I've been telling people in
response to questions. At some point I'll submit a pull req with this stuff
in but for now it's just an email.
*Error handling during signature checking*
I've had queries around the right behaviour here. BIP 70 is underspecified
and we should fix it IMO. If PKI checking fails you should just treat the
request as if it's unsigned. The reason is that there is no incentive for
an attacker to break the signature instead of just removing it entirely, so
an attacker would never trigger any error flows you put in. However,
someone who is signing their request with an unknown CA or using an
upgraded version of the protocol that isn't entirely backwards compatible
*could* trigger signature checking failure.
Therefore, in order to make introducing new (possibly community run) CA's
or new variations on signing possible, please treat any errors as if there
was no signature at all. This is not what browsers do, but browsers have
an advantage - they were already given an identity and told to expect a
secure protocol when the user typed in the web address with an
https://prefix (or clicked a link). Unfortunately a Bitcoin wallet has
no context
like this.
One person asked me whether this makes the whole scheme pointless because a
MITM can just delete the signature. The answer is no - downgrade attacks
are always possible on systems that start out insecure. The solution is to
train users to expect the upgrade and refuse to go ahead if it's not there.
Training users to expect signed payment requests will be a big task similar
to the way the browser industry trained users to look for the padlock when
typing in credit card details, but it must be done.
Because wallets lack context there's no equivalent to HSTS for us either.
So in your GUI's try to train the user - when showing a signed payment
request, tell them to expect the recipient name to appear in future and
that they should not proceed if it doesn't. This gives us a kind of mental
HSTS.
*Extended validation certs*
When a business is accepting payment, showing the name of the business is
usually better than showing just the domain name, for a few reasons:
1. Unless your domain name *is* your business name like blockchain.info,
it looks better and gives more info.
2. Domain names are more phishable than EV names, e.g. is the right name
bitpay.com or bit-pay.com or bitpay.co.uk?
3. More important: Someone who hacks your web server or DNS provider can
silently get themselves a domain name SSL cert issued, probably without you
noticing. Certificate transparency will eventually fix that but it's years
away from full deployment. It's much harder for a hacker to get a bogus EV
cert issued to them because there's a lot more checking involved.
EV certs still have the domain name in the CN field, but they also have the
business name in the OU field.
In theory we are supposed to have extra code to check that a certificate
really was subject to extended validation before showing the contents of
this field. In practice either bitcoinj nor Bitcoin Core actually do, they
just always trust it. It'd be nice to fix that in future.
You should show the organisation data instead of the domain name if you
find it, for EV certs.
*pki=none*
Signing is optional in BIP 70 for good reasons. One implementor told me
they were considering rejecting unsigned payment requests. Do not do this!
A MITM can easily rewrite the bitcoin URI to look as if BIP70 isn't in use
at all.
Even though today most (all?) payment requests you'll encounter are signed,
it's important that signing is optional because in future we need
individual people to start generating payment requests too, and many of
them won't have any kind of memorisable digital identity. Plus other people
just won't want to do it. BIP70 is about lots of features, signing is only
one.
*S/MIME certs*
Email address certs look a bit different to SSL certs. You can get one for
free from here
https://comodo.com/home/email-security/free-email-certificate.php
In these certs the display name can be found in the Subject Alternative
Name field with a type code of 1. Example code:
https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/commit/feecc8f48641cd02cafc42150abba4e4841ea33d
You won't encounter many of these today except on Gavin's test site, but in
future people may wish to start creating and signing their own payment
requests for individual purposes using these certs (especially as they are
free). So please try to handle them correctly.
*Broadcast vs upload*
Please upload transactions and commit them to your wallet when the server
responds with 200 OK, but expect the merchant to broadcast them. Don't give
the user an option to pick - it's pointless as there's no obvious right
answer.
*Testing*
You can find a test site here:
http://bitcoincore.org/~gavin/createpaymentrequest.php
It's testnet only. For testing regular payment requests on the main
network, I use BitPay as they were the first seller-side implementation:
http://bitgivefoundation.org/donate-now/
*Memo contents*
Please put something useful here, ideally what is actually being sold but
failing that, the name of the merchant if you're a payment processor. Don't
be like BitPay and put large random numbers in the memo field but nothing
about what's actually purchased.
This is not particularly important today except for cosmetic reasons,
because wallets don't store the payment requests they saw to disk. But in
future they will and then a properly signed memo field + the transactions
used for payment give us a digital receipt. Receipts are useful for things
like filing expense reports, proving a purchase when returning an item to a
merchant, etc.
*Expiry times*
Don't be too aggressive with these. Although today it doesn't matter much,
some users may be trying to pay from multi-party accounts that require
multiple humans to coordinate to make a payment.
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 implementation guidance
2014-05-02 15:39 [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 implementation guidance Mike Hearn
@ 2014-05-02 19:21 ` Aaron Voisine
2014-05-02 20:41 ` Roy Badami
1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Aaron Voisine @ 2014-05-02 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mike Hearn; +Cc: Bitcoin Dev
At the moment BIP70 specifically requires that a request be rejected
if validation fails, so that should be fixed that sooner rather than
later:
"The recipient must verify the certificate chain according to
[RFC5280] and reject the PaymentRequest if any validation failure
occurs."
Aaron
There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole
government working for you -- Will Rodgers
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99•net> wrote:
> A bunch of different people either have implemented or are implementing
> BIP70 at the moment. Here's a bunch of things I've been telling people in
> response to questions. At some point I'll submit a pull req with this stuff
> in but for now it's just an email.
>
> Error handling during signature checking
>
> I've had queries around the right behaviour here. BIP 70 is underspecified
> and we should fix it IMO. If PKI checking fails you should just treat the
> request as if it's unsigned. The reason is that there is no incentive for an
> attacker to break the signature instead of just removing it entirely, so an
> attacker would never trigger any error flows you put in. However, someone
> who is signing their request with an unknown CA or using an upgraded version
> of the protocol that isn't entirely backwards compatible could trigger
> signature checking failure.
>
> Therefore, in order to make introducing new (possibly community run) CA's or
> new variations on signing possible, please treat any errors as if there was
> no signature at all. This is not what browsers do, but browsers have an
> advantage - they were already given an identity and told to expect a secure
> protocol when the user typed in the web address with an https:// prefix (or
> clicked a link). Unfortunately a Bitcoin wallet has no context like this.
>
> One person asked me whether this makes the whole scheme pointless because a
> MITM can just delete the signature. The answer is no - downgrade attacks are
> always possible on systems that start out insecure. The solution is to train
> users to expect the upgrade and refuse to go ahead if it's not there.
> Training users to expect signed payment requests will be a big task similar
> to the way the browser industry trained users to look for the padlock when
> typing in credit card details, but it must be done.
>
> Because wallets lack context there's no equivalent to HSTS for us either. So
> in your GUI's try to train the user - when showing a signed payment request,
> tell them to expect the recipient name to appear in future and that they
> should not proceed if it doesn't. This gives us a kind of mental HSTS.
>
> Extended validation certs
>
> When a business is accepting payment, showing the name of the business is
> usually better than showing just the domain name, for a few reasons:
>
> Unless your domain name is your business name like blockchain.info, it looks
> better and gives more info.
>
> Domain names are more phishable than EV names, e.g. is the right name
> bitpay.com or bit-pay.com or bitpay.co.uk?
>
> More important: Someone who hacks your web server or DNS provider can
> silently get themselves a domain name SSL cert issued, probably without you
> noticing. Certificate transparency will eventually fix that but it's years
> away from full deployment. It's much harder for a hacker to get a bogus EV
> cert issued to them because there's a lot more checking involved.
>
> EV certs still have the domain name in the CN field, but they also have the
> business name in the OU field.
>
> In theory we are supposed to have extra code to check that a certificate
> really was subject to extended validation before showing the contents of
> this field. In practice either bitcoinj nor Bitcoin Core actually do, they
> just always trust it. It'd be nice to fix that in future.
>
> You should show the organisation data instead of the domain name if you find
> it, for EV certs.
>
> pki=none
>
> Signing is optional in BIP 70 for good reasons. One implementor told me they
> were considering rejecting unsigned payment requests. Do not do this! A MITM
> can easily rewrite the bitcoin URI to look as if BIP70 isn't in use at all.
>
> Even though today most (all?) payment requests you'll encounter are signed,
> it's important that signing is optional because in future we need individual
> people to start generating payment requests too, and many of them won't have
> any kind of memorisable digital identity. Plus other people just won't want
> to do it. BIP70 is about lots of features, signing is only one.
>
> S/MIME certs
>
> Email address certs look a bit different to SSL certs. You can get one for
> free from here
>
> https://comodo.com/home/email-security/free-email-certificate.php
>
> In these certs the display name can be found in the Subject Alternative Name
> field with a type code of 1. Example code:
>
>
> https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/commit/feecc8f48641cd02cafc42150abba4e4841ea33d
>
> You won't encounter many of these today except on Gavin's test site, but in
> future people may wish to start creating and signing their own payment
> requests for individual purposes using these certs (especially as they are
> free). So please try to handle them correctly.
>
> Broadcast vs upload
>
> Please upload transactions and commit them to your wallet when the server
> responds with 200 OK, but expect the merchant to broadcast them. Don't give
> the user an option to pick - it's pointless as there's no obvious right
> answer.
>
> Testing
>
> You can find a test site here:
>
> http://bitcoincore.org/~gavin/createpaymentrequest.php
>
> It's testnet only. For testing regular payment requests on the main network,
> I use BitPay as they were the first seller-side implementation:
>
> http://bitgivefoundation.org/donate-now/
>
> Memo contents
>
> Please put something useful here, ideally what is actually being sold but
> failing that, the name of the merchant if you're a payment processor. Don't
> be like BitPay and put large random numbers in the memo field but nothing
> about what's actually purchased.
>
> This is not particularly important today except for cosmetic reasons,
> because wallets don't store the payment requests they saw to disk. But in
> future they will and then a properly signed memo field + the transactions
> used for payment give us a digital receipt. Receipts are useful for things
> like filing expense reports, proving a purchase when returning an item to a
> merchant, etc.
>
> Expiry times
>
> Don't be too aggressive with these. Although today it doesn't matter much,
> some users may be trying to pay from multi-party accounts that require
> multiple humans to coordinate to make a payment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 implementation guidance
2014-05-02 15:39 [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 implementation guidance Mike Hearn
2014-05-02 19:21 ` Aaron Voisine
@ 2014-05-02 20:41 ` Roy Badami
2014-05-04 13:06 ` Mike Hearn
1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Roy Badami @ 2014-05-02 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mike Hearn; +Cc: Bitcoin Dev
> *Extended validation certs*
>
> When a business is accepting payment, showing the name of the business is
> usually better than showing just the domain name, for a few reasons:
>
> 1. Unless your domain name *is* your business name like blockchain.info,
> it looks better and gives more info.
>
> 2. Domain names are more phishable than EV names, e.g. is the right name
> bitpay.com or bit-pay.com or bitpay.co.uk?
>
> 3. More important: Someone who hacks your web server or DNS provider can
> silently get themselves a domain name SSL cert issued, probably without you
> noticing. Certificate transparency will eventually fix that but it's years
> away from full deployment. It's much harder for a hacker to get a bogus EV
> cert issued to them because there's a lot more checking involved.
>
> EV certs still have the domain name in the CN field, but they also have the
> business name in the OU field.
Well, many certs have something in the O field. That has nothing to
do with EV - EV just mandates a particular set of validation
requirements.
>
> In theory we are supposed to have extra code to check that a certificate
> really was subject to extended validation before showing the contents of
> this field. In practice either bitcoinj nor Bitcoin Core actually do, they
> just always trust it. It'd be nice to fix that in future.
I agree that blindly showing the O field may not be ideal - there
*may* conceivably be some CAs that include it without validation on
their cheap certs (although most cheap certs simply don't include it).
But it's not clear that EV or not is the right criterion here - there
are certainly non-EV certs out there that are organisation validated.
> You should show the organisation data instead of the domain name if you
> find it, for EV certs.
I have really mixed feelings about giving this privileged treatment
exclusively to EV certs, for the simple reason that the rules around
EV certs are iniquitous and some businesses are excluded.
e.g. in the UK sole traders (that is, unincorporated businesses) can't
get EV certs because the UK doesn't maintain a trade register of such
businesses and therefore such businesses are incapable of satisfying
the EV rules.
That said, EV certs are here, now, and (sadly) supporting them is
better than doing nothing...
roy
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 implementation guidance
2014-05-02 20:41 ` Roy Badami
@ 2014-05-04 13:06 ` Mike Hearn
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Mike Hearn @ 2014-05-04 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roy Badami; +Cc: Bitcoin Dev
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>
> e.g. in the UK sole traders (that is, unincorporated businesses) can't
> get EV certs because the UK doesn't maintain a trade register of such
> businesses
>
Sole traders can just trade under their own name, or their email address,
or their domain name, heck even their telephone number if someone sets up
an SMS verifying CA. I don't worry too much about such things - the point
of the cert is just to disambiguate the payment so people can't get
confused into paying the wrong entity.
Companies that can't get EV certs cause us pain indirectly by making users
less certain about what they're expecting to see when they pay a company,
making confusion attacks a bit easier, but I bet it'll be a minor issue in
practice.
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