From: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99•net>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment Protocol for Face-to-face Payments
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:30:03 +0100 [thread overview]
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I think it's mostly a UI issue. The recipient needs to understand that what
he received is nothing more than an IOU that can be revoked at any time. If
the UI makes it clear and the user trusts the sender, no problem. BIP70
would work as before.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com> wrote:
> One participant, yes. Two participants lacking net would require a
> serious revisit of BIP 70's security assumptions and some design, at a
> minimum.
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize•io>
> wrote:
> > Jeff, there are *plenty* of places that lack local Internet access for
> > one or both participants.
> >
> > Obviously making the case where both participants lack access to the
> > bitcoin network is difficult to secure, but not impossible (e.g. use a
> > telephany-based system to connect to a centralized double-spend
> > database, as VISA does).
> >
> > I expect the case where one participant has Internet access (the
> > merchant) and the other does not to be very, very common. The majority
> > of transactions I do on a daily basis are like this, and I live in
> > Silicon Valley!
> >
> > On 03/22/2014 09:35 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >> Let's not pull out silly examples. Of course you can find locations
> >> that lack Internet.
> >>
> >> Those locations are completely unsuitable to bitcoin transactions,
> >> since the receiver cannot verify double-spending or anything else
> >> about the transaction.
> >
> >
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-27 11:59 Andreas Schildbach
2014-01-27 13:11 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-27 18:18 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-01-27 18:34 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-27 20:53 ` [Bitcoin-development] Experiment with linking payment requests via href Andreas Schildbach
2014-01-27 21:47 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-27 17:11 ` [Bitcoin-development] Payment Protocol for Face-to-face Payments Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-27 17:39 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-01-27 18:18 ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-27 20:34 ` Roy Badami
2014-01-29 14:57 ` Christophe Biocca
2014-01-30 10:46 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-01-30 10:50 ` Mike Hearn
2014-02-07 23:15 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-02 9:47 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-02 11:50 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-20 2:22 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-20 3:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-03-20 8:09 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-20 10:36 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-20 12:12 ` Adam Back
2014-03-20 12:20 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-20 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-03-20 17:42 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-20 18:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-03-21 10:28 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-21 13:59 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-22 16:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-03-22 16:45 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-22 16:55 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-03-22 17:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-03-22 17:30 ` Mike Hearn [this message]
2014-03-23 3:47 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-21 10:25 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-21 10:59 ` Adam Back
2014-03-21 11:08 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-21 11:33 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-21 12:25 ` Adam Back
2014-03-21 13:07 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-20 18:20 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-20 18:31 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-20 18:50 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-20 21:52 ` Roy Badami
2014-03-20 23:02 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-26 22:48 ` Roy Badami
2014-03-26 22:56 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-26 23:20 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-27 10:08 ` Mike Hearn
2014-03-27 13:31 ` vv01f
2014-06-30 19:26 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-07-01 8:18 ` Mike Hearn
2014-07-01 9:48 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-07-01 10:42 ` Michael Wozniak
2014-07-01 13:03 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-07-01 14:59 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-07-01 15:07 ` Michael Wozniak
2014-07-01 15:39 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-07-01 17:18 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-07-01 17:59 ` Mike Hearn
2014-07-02 8:49 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-21 10:43 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-20 8:08 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-20 16:14 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-21 9:47 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-21 13:54 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-21 14:51 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-21 15:38 ` Alex Kotenko
2014-03-21 15:20 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-03-21 15:24 ` Mike Hearn
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