Sorry Greg, could you please elaborate further on your ideas? Some are not exactly clear: 1) Allowing node runners to configure their node as they please and refuse to relay some txs is considered authoritarian, censorship, and an attempt to regulate third parties conduct. On the other hand, forcing nodes to merge towards a single shared configuration (by preventing them to block txs) is not considered authoritarian because this imposition does not discriminate towards any txs and is thus non-authoritarian? Did I get the reasoning correctly here? 2) If the aim is to have a homogenous mempool state and to model what will get mined, shouldn’t we reach this state through distributed independent nodes who decide independently on what they prefer this homogenous state to be? If we don’t reach this state through this distributed/independent mechanism, then how are we to reach this state? Who gets to decide and steer the direction so that we all converge towards this homogenous state? One of the strongest aspects of bitcoin is the fact that no single party can force a change/direction, and the network has to somehow reach a shared agreement through independent decision makers who act in what manner they think is best. The proposed BIP seems to be aligned with such a principle, I fail to see any authoritarian aspect here. 3) I share your sentiment and the aim to have a homogenous mempool state, but I am skeptical of the manner in which we are to achieve this according to the ideas you have here expressed (namely not through a distributed independent organic manner) Respectfully, yes_please On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 12:50 AM Greg Maxwell wrote: > So that when the "consistent state" changes as a result of some issue you > can update configs instead of having to update software-- which has > considerable more costs and risks, especially if you're carrying local > customizations as many miners do. > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 8:47 PM Aiden McClelland wrote: > >> If mempool consistency across the network is all that is important, why >> allow any configuration of mempool relay policies at all? >> >> On Wednesday, September 24, 2025 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-6 Greg Maxwell wrote: >> >>> This appears to substantially misunderstands the purpose of the mempool >>> broadly in the network-- it's purpose is to model what will get mined. If >>> you're not doing that you might as well set blocks only. >>> Significant discrepancies are harmful to the system and promote >>> centralization and fail to achieve a useful purpose in any case. What >>> marginal benefits might be provided do not justify building and deploying >>> the technological infrastructure for massive censorship. >>> >>> If you think this is important, I advise you to select another >>> cryptocurrency which is compatible with such authoritarian leanings. -- >>> though I am unsure if any exist since it is such a transparently pointless >>> direction. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 6:30 PM Aiden McClelland >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'd like to share for discussion a draft BIP to allow for a modular >>>> mempool/relay policy: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1985 >>>> >>>> I think it could potentially reduce conflict within the community >>>> around relay policy, as an alternative to running lots of different node >>>> implementations/forks when there are disagreements. >>>> >>>> I am working on a reference implementation using Bellard's QuickJS, but >>>> it has been almost a decade since I've written C++, so it's slow going and >>>> I'm sure doesn't follow best-practices. 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