From: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil•org>
To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 151
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:35:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D40F9E9D-DB6C-4083-A9E8-C5EBC363DB30@voskuil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160628182202.GA5519@fedora-21-dvm>
Hi Peter,
What in this BIP makes a MITM attack easier (or easy) to detect, or increases the probability of one being detected?
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> On Jun 28, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 06:45:58PM +0200, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> 1) Transaction censorship
>>> ISPs, WIFI provider or any other MITM, can holdback/censor unconfirmed
>>> transactions. Regardless if you are a miner or a validation/wallet node.
>>>
>>> 2) Peer censorship
>>> MITM can remove or add entries from a "addr" message.
>>>
>>> 3) Fingerprinting
>>> ISPs or any other MITM can intercept/inject fingerprinting relevant
>>> messages like "mempool" to analyze the bitcoin network.
>>
>> Encryption alone cannot protect against a MITM attack in an anonymous and permissionless network. This is accepted in the BIP (and your follow-up reply).
>
> Being able to easily detect MITM attacks is a _huge_ step forward that
> shouldn't be underestimated; even if 99% of users aren't in a position to
> detect the MITM you only need a small subset of users that do the necessary
> checks to alert the wider community, who can then respond with stronger
> security measures. Those measures are likely to be more costly - authenticated
> systems are significantly harder than not - so better to save your efforts
> until the need for them is more obvious.
>
> Also the fact that an attack has a reasonable probability of detection is a big
> disincentive for many types of attackers - note how one of the things revealed
> in the Snowden leaks was the fact that the NSA generally tries quite hard to
> avoid tipping off targets to the fact that they're being surveilled, with a
> myriad of carefully scripted policies to control when and how exploits are used
> against targets.
>
> --
> https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-06-28 18:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-28 2:31 [bitcoin-dev] BIP 151 use of HMAC_SHA512 Rusty Russell
2016-06-28 7:17 ` [bitcoin-dev] BIP 151 Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 8:26 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-28 16:45 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 18:22 ` Peter Todd
2016-06-28 18:35 ` Eric Voskuil [this message]
2016-06-28 20:14 ` Peter Todd
2016-06-28 20:29 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 20:36 ` Peter Todd
2016-06-28 21:22 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 21:36 ` Gregory Maxwell
2016-06-28 21:40 ` Cameron Garnham
2016-06-28 22:07 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 22:33 ` Cameron Garnham
2016-06-28 23:29 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-29 0:06 ` Nick ODell
2016-06-28 21:59 ` Eric Voskuil
[not found] ` <CAAS2fgQ0Ocs8hF+pf+fWfkKKhQwxNKpY=JHpb_bwua7neVO8tg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-06-28 23:34 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 20:06 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-28 23:31 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-29 11:17 ` Alfie John
2016-06-30 11:56 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-30 12:20 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-30 12:27 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-30 12:43 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-30 15:22 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-30 16:52 ` Peter Todd
2016-06-30 18:25 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-30 19:06 ` Peter Todd
2016-06-30 20:26 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 19:55 ` Gregory Maxwell
2016-06-28 23:33 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-29 1:01 ` Gregory Maxwell
2016-06-30 9:57 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-30 13:03 ` Pieter Wuille
2016-06-30 15:10 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-08-31 14:29 ` Pieter Wuille
2016-06-30 13:36 ` Erik Aronesty
2016-06-30 14:47 ` Alfie John
2016-07-02 9:44 ` Chris Priest
2016-06-28 12:13 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-28 17:39 ` Eric Voskuil
2016-06-28 7:19 ` [bitcoin-dev] BIP 151 use of HMAC_SHA512 Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-28 8:31 ` Arthur Chen
2016-06-29 18:34 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-29 20:13 ` Peter Todd
2016-06-29 20:31 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-06-29 1:00 ` Rusty Russell
2016-06-29 1:38 ` Arthur Chen
2016-06-29 1:56 ` Ethan Heilman
2016-06-29 6:58 ` Pieter Wuille
2016-06-29 14:38 ` Ethan Heilman
2016-06-29 18:46 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-07-01 3:25 ` Rusty Russell
2016-07-01 22:42 ` Zooko Wilcox
2016-07-04 1:23 ` Arthur Chen
2016-07-04 1:44 ` Arthur Chen
2016-07-04 6:47 ` Jonas Schnelli
2016-07-04 6:37 ` Jonas Schnelli
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