From: Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail•com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com>,
Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>, jl2012 <jl2012@xbt•hk>
Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness in the context of Scaling Bitcoin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:18:57 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <FEEEAAAD-8981-4E81-9D06-C5746A1ED123@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADm_WcbtOE-mxE=nYEAkn84q4eZHMQ7jCpLLrL4EoLguiZNHNg@mail.gmail.com>
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Doesn't a good soft fork signaling mechanism along with an activation warning system for non-upgraded nodes (i.e. BIP9, or even block version ISM for that matter) essentially fix this? I don't quite get why this should be an issue.
On December 17, 2015 10:52:39 AM PST, Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 1:46 PM, jl2012 <jl2012@xbt•hk> wrote:
>
>> This is not correct.
>>
>> As only about 1/3 of nodes support BIP65 now, would you consider CLTV
>tx
>> are less secure than others? I don't think so. Since one invalid CLTV
>tx
>> will make the whole block invalid. Having more nodes to fully
>validate
>> non-CLTV txs won't make them any safer. The same logic also applies
>to SW
>> softfork.
>>
>
>
>Yes - the logic applies to all soft forks. Each soft fork degrades the
>security of non-upgraded nodes.
>
>The core design of bitcoin is that trustless nodes validate the work of
>miners, not trust them.
>
>Soft forks move in the opposite direction. Each new soft-forked
>feature
>leans very heavily on miner trust rather than P2P network validation.
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-17 21:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-16 20:38 Jeff Garzik
2015-12-16 20:50 ` Matt Corallo
2015-12-16 21:51 ` Jameson Lopp
2015-12-16 22:29 ` Matt Corallo
2015-12-16 22:32 ` Matt Corallo
2015-12-17 2:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-17 2:44 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-12-17 2:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-17 3:48 ` Adam Back
2015-12-17 5:32 ` jl2012
2015-12-17 7:54 ` Corey Haddad
2015-12-17 13:09 ` Jorge Timón
2015-12-17 15:51 ` sickpig
2015-12-17 17:55 ` Anthony Towns
2015-12-18 10:01 ` sickpig
2015-12-19 7:50 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-12-19 23:03 ` Dave Scotese
2015-12-17 9:33 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-12-17 10:00 ` jl2012
2015-12-17 10:57 ` Anthony Towns
2015-12-17 6:14 ` Marcel Jamin
2015-12-16 20:59 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-12-16 21:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-16 21:36 ` Pieter Wuille
2015-12-16 22:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-16 22:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-17 18:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-17 18:46 ` jl2012
2015-12-17 18:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-12-17 21:18 ` Eric Lombrozo [this message]
2015-12-17 21:31 ` Adam Back
2015-12-17 3:52 ` Anthony Towns
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