From: ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail•com>
To: Chris Belcher <belcher@riseup•net>,
Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Tainting, CoinJoin, PayJoin, CoinSwap
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:01:46 +0000 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <e7ab27e5-e235-f6a2-5023-1cdda5c12d0b@riseup.net>
Good morning nopara73 and Chris,
> One way to resist a likely taint analysis attack is to involve other
> parts of the bitcoin economy in your transactions. For example our
> exchange thief could deposit and then withdraw his stolen coins through
> a Bitcoin Casino or other bitcoin service hot wallet. His coins might no
> longer be 100% tainted from the exchange hack but perhaps have 5%
> exchange hack, 5% bitcoin ATM, 5% mined coins, etc etc. The numbers are
> made up and they depend on the exact algorithm but the main point is
> that involving the rest of the bitcoin economy in your transaction is
> one practical way to stop taint analysis being a useful attack against
> on you.
>
> Another important point is that taint isn't part of bitcoin's code
> anywhere. It is an external reality that surveillance companies impose
> on users. The only reason taint has any influence is because of
> censorship, for example an exchange which uses the services of a
> surveillance company has the power to freeze funds (i.e. censor a
> transaction) if they believe the user's deposit transaction is tainted.
Adding on to this, we can consider the *economics* of taint.
Tainted coins are less valuable than untainted coins.
However, as pointed out as well, taint is not a consensus among all Bitcoin users.
There are no cryptographic underpinnings that would allow all nodes to agree on their individual taint analysis.
The people knocking on doors often have limited amounts of reach: there are real economic barriers to the knock-on-doors people being shipped to the other side of the Earth (fuel costs, ammunition costs, sociopolitical knock-on effects....).
Thus, suppose I am a miner with N coins.
As the coins have no history, they are "completely clean", as it were.
As a miner, I exist somewhere in the universe.
It is possible that I exist in some location on Earth (we cannot know; please ignore scurrilous slander that I am somehow existent outside of time and space).
Now suppose you have some tainted coins.
As noted, those coins are tainted only within some jurisdiction.
Outside that jurisdiction, however, they have no taint (taint is not a global consensus).
If I happen to live outside the jurisdiction where your coins are tainted, and I have some clean freshly-mined coins, I can offer this deal to you:
* Give me N+1 tainted coins for my N clean coins.
Now, again, the premise here is that there exists no global knock-on-doors people who can come to my datacenter and start asking questions to the sysads administering my computational substrate.
In that case, you might very well take the deal:
* You have not lost economic power, because the tainted coins, in your jurisdiction, are of lower value than N+1 anyway, and might even have value below that of N clean coins.
* I have gained economic power, because the tainted coins, in my jurisdiction, are not tainted and have the same cleanliness as my fresh mined coins.
This is a simple example of gains from trade, this time from jurisdictional arbitrage, thus such deals will exist.
--
But that is specious, as it assumes that there exists no global knock-on-doors people.
Obviously, there could exist one or more entities who are able to ship knocks-on-doors people all over the globe, taking advantage of economies of scale and reinvestment (more knock-on-doors people to knock on doors of people they can extract more economic power from to hire more knock-on-doors people) to achieve practically global coverage.
Against this, we must remember that ultimately censorship resistance of the coin is what can protect against such an attacker, which can impose its own non-consensual-but-pretty-damn-important view of taint practically globally.
Censorship resistance requires that owners of coins have control of the keys (your keys your coins) and that they can offer bribes to miners to get their transactions committed (mining fees).
Custodiality makes it easier for fewer knock-on-doors people to need to be shipped to stop certain activities.
Now, the Bitcoin Casino example is of course an example of not your keys not your coins i.e. custodiality.
For the purpose of mixing, the "Bitcoin Casino" here is simply aggregating multiple UTXOs and then sending them back out to many other new UTXOs.
This is in fact the same operation that CoinJoin does, it aggregates multiple UTXOs and creates many new UTXOs to different clients with shared taint.
The advantage is that CoinJoin is still your keys your coins, you still own the keys with which to sign the CoinJoin transaction, and thus improve censorship resistance of your mixing operation.
For CoinSwap as well, we can consider that a CoinSwap server could make multiple CoinSwaps with various clients.
This leads to the CoinSwap server owning many small UTXOs, which it at some point aggregates into a large UTXO that it then uses to service more clients (for example, it serves many small clients, then has to serve a single large client that wants a single large UTXO for its own purposes).
This aggregation again leads to spreading of taint.
CoinSwap, in this regard, is something like the cofunctor of CoinJoin.
Again, the advantage here is that CoinSwap is still your keys your coins, compared to the situation with Bitcoin Casino which is custodial.
(@Chris: I think it would be a good design for SwapMarket makers to avoid spending-together its owned coins when swapping, but if it *does* need to do so (i.e. its coins are all too split up and it becomes unable to serve a client without spending more than one coin in a tx), to spend-together *all* its UTXOs and try to serve as many takers as possible in a single tx, to simulate precisely the batching operations that custodial services use, thus appearing as some new custodial service, without actually *being* custodial.)
Thus, we should consider that CoinJoin and CoinSwap improve the censorship resistance, and thus improve our global resistance to a potential global attacker using taint analysis.
Regards,
ZmnSCPxj
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-10 23:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-10 12:32 nopara73
2020-06-10 13:48 ` Greg Sanders
2020-06-10 20:10 ` Chris Belcher
2020-06-10 23:01 ` ZmnSCPxj [this message]
2020-06-11 2:01 ` Mr. Lee Chiffre
2020-06-11 11:20 ` nopara73
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