From: alicexbt <alicexbt@protonmail•com>
To: John Carvalho <john@synonym•to>
Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin covenants are inevitable
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2022 16:12:54 +0000 [thread overview]
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Hi John,
> Core development is not a hackathon project.
>
> None of the quoted following items are features or responsibilities of the Bitcoin software, nor Core developers
Core development was never listed as a hackathon project. Although I did not share responsibilities, they will improve bitcoin development. Bitcoin isn't only about "core developers" and I contribute to that repository.
> Whether you are a child or an attacker, none of us should care, but CTV, nor any change to Bitcoin software, will never be justifiable simply because you and some of your friends think it is totally cool and might make more people like you or give your friends funding.
These are not my friends and I don't know any of them in real life:
https://utxos.org/signals/
Also the developers who are competent enough to understand code and soft forks that participated in CTV meetings are not my friends. Funding is a real issue for bitcoin developers, you would know if were a developer and these opportunities won't be available for me and my friends but everyone.
> Please stop making noise about CTV, this is not a place for spamming.
Let me share one example of spamming and noise:
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-May/020409.html
I am aware of the things that you post on twitter and your thoughts about developers, author of BIP 119 and the way you would propose changes although not interested to debate anything related to bitcoin development with you as its a waste of time:
https://nitter.net/BitcoinErrorLog/status/1407312037408038919
/dev/fd0
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On Saturday, June 4th, 2022 at 5:57 PM, John Carvalho via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Core development is not a hackathon project.
>
> None of the quoted following items are features or responsibilities of the Bitcoin software, nor Core developers.
>
> Quoted:
> "- Developers can build interesting projects with real demand in market.
> - Students learn Sapio and not just solidity.
> - Better tooling could be available for application developers.
> - Maybe we see bitcoin developer hackathons in different countries.
> - Demand for block space might increase, it wont be just exchanges and coinjoin.
> - Funding of bitcoin developers and projects might improve. Wont need to convince a few people for grants."
>
> Whether you are a child or an attacker, none of us should care, but CTV, nor any change to Bitcoin software, will never be justifiable simply because you and some of your friends think it is totally cool and might make more people like you or give your friends funding.
>
> Please stop making noise about CTV, this is not a place for spamming.
>
> --
>
> John Carvalho
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 1:00 PM <bitcoin-dev-request@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2022 18:39:34 +0000
>> From: alicexbt <alicexbt@protonmail•com>
>> To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
>> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
>> Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin covenants are inevitable
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>>
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>> Note: This email is an opinion and not an attack on bitcoin
>>
>> Covenants on bitcoin will eventually be implemented with a soft fork. CTV is the easiest and best possible way OP_TX looks good as well. Apart from the technical merits, covenants will improve a few other things:
>>
>> - Developers can build interesting projects with real demand in market.
>> - Students learn Sapio and not just solidity.
>> - Better tooling could be available for application developers.
>> - Maybe we see bitcoin developer hackathons in different countries.
>> - Demand for block space might increase, it wont be just exchanges and coinjoin.
>> - Funding of bitcoin developers and projects might improve. Wont need to convince a few people for grants.
>>
>> **Why covenants are not contentious?**
>>
>> Some people may write paragraphs about CTV being contentious, spread misinformation and do all types of drama, politics etc. on social media but there are zero technical NACKs for CTV. We have discussed other covenant proposals in detail on mailing list and IRC meetings with an open minded approach.
>>
>> All the developers that participated in the discussion are either okay with CTV or OP_TX or covenants in general.
>>
>> **How and when should covenants be implemented in Bitcoin?**
>>
>> I don't think we should wait for years anticipating a proposal that everyone will agree on or argue for years to pretend changes are hard in Bitcoin. We should improve the review process for soft fork BIPs and share honest opinions with agreement, disagreement on technical merits.
>>
>> I prefer BIP 8 or improved BIP 8 for soft fork but I won't mind anything else being used if that improves Bitcoin. Covenants implemented in Bitcoin before the next cycle would provide opportunity for developers to build interesting things during the bear market. Ossification supporters also believe there is some window that will close soon, maybe doing changes considering each case individually will be a better approach. CTV is not a rushed soft fork, less people followed the research and it was not mentioned on social media repeatedly by the respected developers like other soft forks.
>>
>> /dev/fd0
>>
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2022-06-04 12:27 ` John Carvalho
2022-06-04 13:48 ` Keagan McClelland
2022-06-04 16:12 ` alicexbt [this message]
2022-06-06 13:02 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-06-12 3:36 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-12 13:02 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-06-12 16:35 ` Corey Haddad
2022-06-12 19:16 ` alicexbt
2022-06-19 10:31 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-19 15:54 ` Manuel Costa
2022-06-19 18:26 ` Kate Salazar
2022-06-19 22:35 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-06-21 19:00 ` Keagan McClelland
2022-06-21 20:10 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-06-23 19:17 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-28 3:55 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-28 16:23 ` Alex Lee
2022-06-28 23:22 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-29 5:02 ` Alex Lee
2022-06-28 23:20 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-29 10:44 ` Kate Salazar
2022-06-30 15:25 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-07-03 9:43 ` Peter Todd
2022-07-03 10:30 ` Giuseppe B
2022-07-06 4:28 ` Corey Haddad
2022-07-06 11:10 ` vjudeu
2022-07-07 0:46 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-07-07 12:15 ` vjudeu
2022-07-07 14:05 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-07 14:10 ` Giuseppe B
2022-07-08 5:03 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-30 17:04 ` Erik Aronesty
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2022-07-07 13:24 ` John Carvalho
2022-07-07 14:12 ` Peter Todd
2022-07-07 16:24 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-07-07 17:37 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-07 19:57 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-07-07 21:11 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-08 0:28 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-07-08 4:59 ` vjudeu
2022-07-08 7:26 ` John Carvalho
2022-07-08 15:14 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-14 4:55 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-07-07 22:06 ` Anthony Towns
2022-07-07 22:02 ` Corey Haddad
2022-06-03 18:39 alicexbt
2022-06-04 0:29 ` micaroni
2022-06-04 18:43 ` Jorge Timón
2022-06-05 4:18 ` alicexbt
2022-06-08 3:51 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-08 9:22 ` Jorge Timón
2022-06-09 4:30 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-09 0:03 ` Ryan Grant
2022-07-19 4:44 ` Anthony Towns
2022-07-19 14:46 ` alicexbt
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