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From: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live•com.au>
To: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32•com>, ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail•com>,
	Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: lightning-dev <lightning-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev]   Removing the Dust Limit
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:17:40 +0000	[thread overview]
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Good Afternoon,

Returning to this subject, there should be no restriction to the value of utxo's that keep in one's own wallet as change can be created in any value. With obvious intent, the wallet should avoid creating utxo's below the current dust limit at the time the transaction is created but it cannot guarantee it.

The wallet should avoid including utxo's that by weight sat/KB are more expensive to include that their value at the time a transaction is created, ie. do not include utxo's in a transaction that lower the input value after fees for automatic utxo selection, however, perhaps consider this is valid for manual utxo selection since it is in every example 'my money' and I can spend some of it if I decide.

There is no discipline in complaining that the dust set of utxo's slows down the process of block validation during mining. Every conceivable computerised business bears the expense of the cost of a database transaction. The actual answer to this genuine business concern of database speed is to build a faster database.

It is correct knowledge to know that the Bitcoin protocol cannot speculate as to the future but we can. The case exists where it is conceivable for example, that the transaction fee is paid only for the first utxo inclusion in a transaction due to changes to the calculation of block-size. There are other easily plausible examples where the inclusion of what is today considered dust may not be ill-considered.

KING JAMES HRMH
Great British Empire

Regards,
The Australian
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
MR. Damian A. James Williamson
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-07  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-08 18:52 [bitcoin-dev] " Jeremy
2021-08-08 21:14 ` Matt Corallo
2021-08-08 21:41   ` Oleg Andreev
2021-08-08 21:51 ` [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] " David A. Harding
2021-08-08 22:46   ` Jeremy
2021-08-08 23:07   ` Jeremy
2021-09-30 22:07   ` Pieter Wuille
2021-10-01 13:40     ` Erik Aronesty
2021-10-07  4:52       ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-10-07  8:17         ` LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH [this message]
2021-10-07  8:34           ` LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH
2021-10-07 10:35             ` LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH
2021-10-07  9:13         ` shymaa arafat
2021-10-07 10:01           ` ZmnSCPxj
     [not found]             ` <CAM98U8kKud-7QoJKYd5o245o8vGeUD7YD2OnXF_QeKaO33dSTw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <MCYvJzqskIC56X-ylVCNgdaVk6SNnpCE6GgssXxK-znwwK4MoA41a2A-yNuCG8s99ll3h__YjCjBlP99A27Clbip-aYbF2ZwLpZ0SJT0j2U=@protonmail.com>
2021-10-08  7:44                 ` shymaa arafat
2021-10-08 10:38                   ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-10-08 22:47     ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-08-09 13:22 ` Antoine Riard
2021-08-10  0:30   ` Billy Tetrud
2021-08-10  5:04     ` Jeremy
2021-08-10  5:44       ` Billy Tetrud
2021-08-10 11:37         ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-08-10 18:39           ` Charlie Lee
2021-08-10  6:14   ` David A. Harding
2021-08-10 22:37     ` Antoine Riard
2021-08-11  0:46       ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-08-12 22:03       ` Anthony Towns
2021-08-20  4:51         ` Jeremy
2021-08-20  5:45           ` shymaa arafat
2021-08-21  3:10           ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-08-26 21:21             ` Billy Tetrud
2021-08-27  9:07               ` shymaa arafat
2021-08-30  3:31                 ` LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH
2021-08-18 19:06 shymaa arafat

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