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From: "Swambo, Jacob" <jacob.swambo@kcl•ac.uk>
To: "bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org"
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] ANYPREVOUT in place of CTV
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 16:40:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <VI1PR03MB51031D56CE0EFBAAB86CC370CCC09@VI1PR03MB5103.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> (raw)

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Thanks Darosior for your response.

I see now that APOAS (e.g. with ANYONECANPAY and/or SINGLE) and CTV (with less restrictive templates) fall prey to the same trade-off between flexibility and safety. So I retract my statement about that 'point in favour of OP_CTV'. It would be nice to by-pass the trade-off, but it seems to be unavoidable. That begs the question, why would we want to have a way to commit to less restrictive templates?

Firstly, I posit that if a transaction does not allow RBF, then it would be very difficult for an attacker to repackage parts of the transaction into a malicious alternative and rebroadcast it before it reaches the mempool of the majority of nodes, who would then reject the malicious alternative.

Secondly, some covenant-based applications aren't as critical as others, and it may well be acceptable to take the risk of using something like ANYONECANPAY|ALL even with RBF enabled.

Third, in a trusted multi-party context you can safely make use of flexible signature messages. Let's say there are 3 people and a UTXO with the following locking script as a single leaf in the tapscript:

<pk1> OP_CHECKSIG <pk2> OP_CHECKSIGADD <pk3> OP_CHECKSIGADD 2 OP_EQUAL <APOAS|SINGLE:signature_covenant_tx> <covenant_PK> OP_CHECKSIG

And they produce this witness:

<SINGLE:sig_1> <ALL:sig_2>

The second participant can, for example, add a change output before signing. <sig_1> is not sufficient and so can't be repackaged without the authorisation of participant 2.


The additional flexibility through composing APOAS with other SIGHASH modes, and the ability to re-bind covenant transactions to different UTXOs allows protocol designers to do more with APOAS covenants than with CTV covenants (as currently spec'd). I'm not yet convinced that BIP-118 is totally safe, but I think the debate recently is part of that maturation process and I'm glad for it.


Jacob Swambo


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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-03 16:40 Swambo, Jacob [this message]
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2022-04-29 13:22 Swambo, Jacob
2022-05-03 10:38 ` darosior
2022-04-22 17:14 pushd
2022-04-22 13:35 pushd
2022-04-25 13:34 ` Hampus Sjöberg
2022-04-22 11:11 darosior
2022-04-22 11:44 ` rot13maxi
2022-04-22 11:54   ` darosior
2022-04-22 17:01 ` Luke Dashjr
2022-04-24 20:41 ` Richard Myers
2022-04-25 13:35   ` darosior
2022-04-25 16:35     ` darosior
2022-04-25  1:46 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-04-25 16:35 ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-04-25 16:57 ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-04-26 20:13 ` Jeremy Rubin
2022-04-29  5:08 ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-04-29  8:30   ` darosior
2022-04-29 10:21     ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-04-29 11:40       ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-05-01 23:35         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-04-30  8:09 ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-04-30 11:15   ` Greg Sanders
2022-05-01 14:25   ` Nadav Ivgi
2022-05-03 15:51 ` Jeremy Rubin

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