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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
To: Alfie John <alfie@alfie•wtf>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 15:58:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y8hdX55fT/Rssh1q@petertodd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2480C772-EE75-4350-BF11-FA9FEFC8A4EA@alfie.wtf>

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On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:42:50PM +1100, Alfie John wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2022, at 10:28 am, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> This way:
> >> 
> >> 1. system cannot be played
> >> 2. only in case of destructive halving: system waits for the recovery of network security
> > 
> > The immediate danger we have with halvings is that in a competitive market,
> > profit margins tend towards marginal costs - the cost to produce an additional
> > unit of production - rather than total costs - the cost necessary to recover
> > prior and future expenses. Since the halving is a sudden shock to the system,
> > under the right conditions we could have a significant amount of hashing power
> > just barely able to afford to hash prior to the halving, resulting in all that
> > hashing power immediately having to shut down and fees increasing dramatically,
> > and likely, chaotically.  Your proposal does not address that problem as it can
> > only measure difficulty prior to the halving point.
> 
> 
> > ... Since the halving is a sudden shock to the system
> 
> Is it though? Since everyone knows of the possible outcomes, wouldn't a possible halving be priced in? 

Re-read that I said. That explains why despite the halving being a forseeable
event, there's no mechanism to "price it in" when it comes to hashing power.

> > resulting in all that hashing power immediately having to shut down and fees increasing dramatically
> 
> Which should cause that hashing power to come back because of this fee increases.

Right now the total reward per transaction is $63, three orders of magnitude
higher than typical fees. Sufficient fee increases to bring back hashing power
in a scenario like that would cause enormous disruption to many things,
including Lightning channels.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-18 20:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-23 18:43 jk_14
2022-12-30 23:28 ` Peter Todd
2023-01-01 12:42   ` Alfie John
2023-01-18 20:58     ` Peter Todd [this message]
2022-12-27 15:34 jk_14
2022-12-30 18:20 ` Billy Tetrud
2023-01-01 21:23 jk_14
2023-01-02  4:53 ` Billy Tetrud
2023-01-01 22:27 jk_14
2023-01-02 23:02 jk_14
2023-01-04 16:03 ` Billy Tetrud
2023-01-07 18:52 jk_14
2023-01-07 23:22 ` Eric
2023-01-21 10:20 jk_14
     [not found] <mailman.9.1674388803.14535.bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
2023-01-22 14:13 ` John Tromp
2023-02-01 22:04 jk_14

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