From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
To: Keagan McClelland <keagan.mcclelland@gmail•com>,
Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin covenants are inevitable
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:17:37 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YrS8URqD/BW4UrP0@petertodd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALeFGL0CQC4_swZTt-=sbe=ZiCmRthZghGDtrWFx5bQCBeOJcg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 01:00:07PM -0600, Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > The PoW security of Bitcoin benefits all Bitcoin users, proportional to
> the
> value of BTC they hold; if Bitcoin blocks aren't reliably created the value
> of
> *all* BTC goes down. It doesn't make sense for the entire cost of that
> security
> to be paid for on a per-tx basis. And there's a high chance paying for it
> on a
> per-tx basis won't work anyway due to lack of consistent demand.
>
> FWIW I prefer the demurrage route. Having something with finite supply as a
> means of measuring economic activity is unprecedented and I believe deeply
> important. I'm sympathetic to the argument that the security of the chain
> should not be solely the responsibility of transactors. We realize the
> value of money on receipt, hold *and* spend and it would be appropriate for
> there to be a balance of fees to that effect. While inflation may be
> simpler to implement (just chop off the last few halvings), I think it
> would be superior (on the assumption that such a hodl tax was necessary) to
> keep the supply fixed and have people's utxo balances decay, at least at
> the level of the UX.
Demurrage makes protocols like Lightning much more complex, and isn't
compatible with existing implementations. While demurrage could in theory be
implemented in a soft-fork by forcing txs to contain an output with the
demurrage-taxed amount, spending to a pool of future mining fees, I really
don't think it's practical to actually do that.
Anyway, demurrage and inflation have identical economic properties. They're
both a tax on savings. The only difference is the way that tax is implemented.
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Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2022-06-04 12:27 ` John Carvalho
2022-06-04 13:48 ` Keagan McClelland
2022-06-04 16:12 ` alicexbt
2022-06-06 13:02 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-06-12 3:36 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-12 13:02 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-06-12 16:35 ` Corey Haddad
2022-06-12 19:16 ` alicexbt
2022-06-19 10:31 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-19 15:54 ` Manuel Costa
2022-06-19 18:26 ` Kate Salazar
2022-06-19 22:35 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-06-21 19:00 ` Keagan McClelland
2022-06-21 20:10 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-06-23 19:17 ` Peter Todd [this message]
2022-06-28 3:55 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-28 16:23 ` Alex Lee
2022-06-28 23:22 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-29 5:02 ` Alex Lee
2022-06-28 23:20 ` Peter Todd
2022-06-29 10:44 ` Kate Salazar
2022-06-30 15:25 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-07-03 9:43 ` Peter Todd
2022-07-03 10:30 ` Giuseppe B
2022-07-06 4:28 ` Corey Haddad
2022-07-06 11:10 ` vjudeu
2022-07-07 0:46 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-07-07 12:15 ` vjudeu
2022-07-07 14:05 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-07 14:10 ` Giuseppe B
2022-07-08 5:03 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-30 17:04 ` Erik Aronesty
[not found] <mailman.9.1657195203.20624.bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
2022-07-07 13:24 ` John Carvalho
2022-07-07 14:12 ` Peter Todd
2022-07-07 16:24 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-07-07 17:37 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-07 19:57 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-07-07 21:11 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-08 0:28 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-07-08 4:59 ` vjudeu
2022-07-08 7:26 ` John Carvalho
2022-07-08 15:14 ` Erik Aronesty
2022-07-14 4:55 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-07-07 22:06 ` Anthony Towns
2022-07-07 22:02 ` Corey Haddad
2022-06-03 18:39 alicexbt
2022-06-04 0:29 ` micaroni
2022-06-04 18:43 ` Jorge Timón
2022-06-05 4:18 ` alicexbt
2022-06-08 3:51 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-08 9:22 ` Jorge Timón
2022-06-09 4:30 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-06-09 0:03 ` Ryan Grant
2022-07-19 4:44 ` Anthony Towns
2022-07-19 14:46 ` alicexbt
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