From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
To: Robin Linus <robin@zerosync•org>,
Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] ZeroSync: Introducing Validity Proofs to Bitcoin
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 18:47:03 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZH4tp5U7F658M+hn@petertodd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C45891F8-2AE4-4D26-B98A-0E983935A83E@zerosync.org>
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On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 02:12:03PM +0200, Robin Linus via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Today we are publishing a summary of our research on "ZeroSync: Introducing Validity Proofs to Bitcoin".
>
>
> Here's the preface:
>
> We introduce ZeroSync, the first-ever proof system addressing Bitcoin’s scalability challenges with Succinct Non-Interactive Argument of Knowledge (SNARKs). ZeroSync compresses the entire Bitcoin blockchain into a compact proof of validity, enabling instant verification and unlocking various innovative applications. We discuss our prototype implementation of a chain state proof, utilizing the Cairo language, Utreexo, and recursive STARKs. Our work enables diverse applications, including quick bootstrapping of full nodes, trustless light clients, enhanced Lightning Network privacy, and secure cross-chain bridges. Chain state proofs require no consensus changes, which is crucial as forks in Bitcoin are challenging to implement and achieve consensus for. Despite the existing bottleneck of prover performance, we present a range of optimization strategies and demonstrate the practicality of generating a complete chain state proof.
> Finally, we introduce zkCoins, a client-side validation protocol combined with zeroknowledge SNARKs, drastically improving privacy and throughput of token transactions. In combination with future Bitcoin features, such as Simplicity, zkCoins also enables private and more scalable BTC transactions.
> The groundbreaking compression capabilities of SNARKs initiated a paradigm shift in cryptocurrency design, and ZeroSync is pioneering their application to Bitcoin.
>
>
> You can find the full paper here: https://zerosync.org/zerosync.pdf <https://zerosync.org/zerosync.pdf>
> Happy to receive any comments and answer any questions the bitcoin dev community may have about the paper!
Two serious issues with this proposal:
1) You're creating an alternative implementation of the Bitcoin protocol. There
is a _long_ history of such implementations failing to implement an exact copy
of the consensus rules, leading to potential forks. Obviously, if only used by
otherwise lite clients, there is less of a risk associated with this. But the
risk is there and will expand as this tech is used for more sophisticated
things.
2) If the tech advances to the point where proof-generation is fast enough to
happen in real time, Bitcoin miners adopting it along with and other widepsread
adoption it may cause Bitcoin to lose its decentralization. At the heart,
Bitcoin's consensus is a proof of publication scheme: miners are (weakly)
forced to publish blocks by the fact that users and other miners demand blocks
to both validate their coins, and mine further. Without blocks themselves being
published on a timely basis, the censorship resistance of Bitcoin fails because
only a subset of miners actually have the necessary block data to create new
blocks with transactions in them. There's also other scenarios where these
capabilities could be abused, eg with "illegal data" being published in the
chain.
Re: #2, the Bitcoin technical community would be smart to find ways to *defeat*
ZKP schemes, with the goal of making it technologically infeasible to use them
for recently created blocks (eg the last few days worth).
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-06-05 18:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-12 12:12 Robin Linus
2023-05-12 15:32 ` Weiji Guo
2023-05-12 16:03 ` Robin Linus
2023-06-05 18:47 ` Peter Todd [this message]
2023-06-05 18:59 ` Erik Aronesty
2023-08-28 7:49 blk0
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