From: CryptAxe <cryptaxe@gmail•com>
To: bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Drivechain -- Request for Discussion
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 14:27:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a60d1d58-59cd-e304-3b49-ba29ddf4de45@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGL6+mFu-W9BXs+ipDQod33XZn85Rj=cDzhanVDY5wLzRbkFTQ@mail.gmail.com>
> >OP_RETURN <sidechain_id> <critical hash>
>
> I think it is redundant here to have the <sidechain id>, we can
> implicitly assume what the sidechain_id is since we have a fixed set
> of drivechains. I.e. mining reward is index 0, mimblewimble sidechain
> is index 1, etc. CryptAxe has specific indexes defined already in his
> implementation:
> https://github.com/drivechain-project/bitcoin/blob/mainchainBMM/src/sidechain.h#L26-L30.
>
Since the sidechain has the sidechain BMM headers that they want the LD
(bribe) data for, I think that they could specifically request LD data
relevant only to that sidechain by providing a list of hashes to the
mainchain, and the mainchain can return a list of boolean values telling
the sidechain if the LD data exists. That way the data never even has to
go over the network, just a verification that it exists on the mainchain
and we can drop the sidechain_id from the script.
> I think it would be wise to include a version byte to allow us to
> upgrade this commitment structure in the future. Similar to how
> witness program's are now versioned.
Agreed, we need that.
>
> ><block height> <sidechain_id> <critical hash> OP_BRIBE_VERIFY
>
> If <block height> is an argument that OP_BRIBE_VERIFY takes, doesn't
> that mean the mainchain miner has to validate this *is* the actual
> block height on the sidechain? Does that take the 'blindness' away
> from BMM?
No, OP_BRIBE (the old version) didn't care about the block height. Where
the blockheight was relevant is when bribe data is added to LD. In order
to be added to LD, the bribe needed to either be a fork (block height
less than the sidechain tip height) or extending the current side-chain
(block height = sidechain tip height + 1). The goal of this was to allow
for reorgs, and also make it so that people cannot skip forward (which
would never be valid so it's a waste of time and space) so that the
sidechain makes progress. With the new design that we have been talking
about, I think that we will need to drop this requirement from the
mainchain, and have the sidechain handle filtering out invalid LD data /
only requesting the verification of LD data that they know to be valid
as far as chain order goes.
>
> Overall, I think we need to work on the commitment structure to the
> coinbase tx.
Agreed. It might be helpful if you outlined the idea you had on IRC to
the mailing list.
> If I understand the current implementation correctly we can have up to
> 256 OP_RETURNs embedded in the coinbase tx signifying new blocks mined
> on drivechains.. this seems less than ideal. It might be prudent to
> make these outputs ANYONECANSPEND, and then have miners spending these
> outputs to themselves for every block mined.. maybe this doesn't have
> a benefit over using OP_RETURNs though?
>
> The structure could be something like:
> <version> <critical hash>
>
> and then in a subsequent block the miner spends that output to
> themselves. I will admit I'm not super familiar with how OP_RETURNs
> work with the UTXO set -- maybe this scheme doesn't have any benefit.
>
> -Chris
I might be wrong but I thought that OP_RETURN outputs do not go into the
UTXO set. Anyone else want to chime in?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-18 21:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-22 6:17 Paul Sztorc
2017-05-22 13:33 ` Peter Todd
2017-05-22 15:30 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-05-28 21:07 ` Peter Todd
[not found] ` <CAJowKgJjNaoWVc=QXfOqH3OdBPoKm3qkfUNpKV6oKLSRx_fD0g@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAJowKgKFMXDE-yzEqYkY7c+80Mgn+iL9ZRNJbv9WhUBR32EvRg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-05-29 5:54 ` Erik Aronesty
2017-05-30 5:11 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-06-09 21:54 ` Sergio Demian Lerner
2017-06-10 16:28 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-05-22 14:39 ` ZmnSCPxj
2017-05-22 16:19 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-05-22 19:12 ` Tier Nolan
2017-05-22 20:00 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-05-23 9:51 ` Tier Nolan
2017-05-23 14:22 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-05-24 8:50 ` Tier Nolan
2017-05-24 10:05 ` Tier Nolan
2017-05-24 17:32 ` CryptAxe
2017-05-25 22:08 ` Tier Nolan
2017-06-18 14:36 ` Chris Stewart
2017-06-18 21:27 ` CryptAxe [this message]
[not found] ` <CAGL6+mGZZ=wG8P_DNj3PXVf==mLjJwA_bESh0_UdH2iVBY7GQA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-06-19 15:41 ` Chris Stewart
2017-05-23 0:13 ` ZmnSCPxj
2017-05-23 14:12 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-05-23 23:26 ` ZmnSCPxj
2017-06-10 17:04 ` [bitcoin-dev] Drivechain RfD -- Follow Up Paul Sztorc
2017-06-18 21:30 ` Tao Effect
2017-06-19 16:04 ` Paul Sztorc
[not found] ` <CAJowKgLJW=kJhcN4B7TbWXLb7U51tzYU3PFOy1m8JqKXqFsU4A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-06-20 11:54 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-06-20 13:38 ` Erik Aronesty
2017-06-22 13:27 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-06-22 13:45 ` Erik Aronesty
2017-06-22 20:30 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-06-23 14:19 ` Erik Aronesty
2017-06-23 14:51 ` Moral Agent
2017-06-23 18:11 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-12 22:43 ` Tao Effect
2017-07-13 0:26 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-13 1:15 ` Tao Effect
2017-07-13 2:58 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-13 3:24 ` Tao Effect
2017-07-13 15:39 ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-13 13:17 ` Hampus Sjöberg
2017-07-13 17:04 ` Paul Sztorc
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