From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>,
Justus Ranvier <justusranvier@riseup•net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Encrypt bitcoin messages
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:41:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b7934ce1-a22f-42d2-92ed-bc5a1c3a27be@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJHLa0PnvpAaTgaUej=1G7CJ9=BYSjEWvXybfEaG9pFJxsM8fQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 19 August 2014 20:21:35 GMT-04:00, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com> wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org> wrote:
>> That is simply incorrect. The resources required to do that kind of
>monitoring are very high; even the NSA can't pull it off consistently
>for
>
>Hardly. For example, when a new block arrives on the network, a
>single observer at a single location may obtain a binary "likely|not
>bitcoin protocol" decision from a spike in usage correlated with
>sudden, global network activity after a period of inactivity. I'll
>not detail all such metrics.
Emphasis on "likely", at best. Forcing you adversary to rely on uncertain statistics is a huge improvement over the status quo. Secondly your example is of a new block; the more general concern is determining where a given transaction originated. In the best of circumstances determining the origin of a few hundred bytes of days interspersed in dozens of kB/s of buffered data streams is very difficult and expensive even without padding and/or random delay features.
Again, I've spoken to people like Jacob Applebaum about this who have a solid understanding of what the NSA is actually capable of, and they've confirmed the above. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Of course, that's not to say we shouldn't cost-benefit analysis the implementation; not using straight OpenSSL for this is a wise decision. Hence the suggestion of using the existing and tested Tor support to encrypt by default.
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Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <CA+8=xuJ+YDTNjyDW7DvP8KPN_nrFWpE68HvLw6EokFa-B-QGKw@mail.gmail.com>
2014-08-19 9:49 ` Raúl Martínez
[not found] ` <0C0EF7F9-DBBA-4872-897D-63CFA3853726@ricmoo.com>
2014-08-19 15:11 ` Raúl Martínez
2014-08-19 15:30 ` Richard Moore
2014-08-19 16:07 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-19 16:38 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-08-19 16:58 ` Angel Leon
2014-08-19 17:19 ` Christophe Biocca
2014-08-19 17:35 ` Johnathan Corgan
2014-08-19 23:38 ` J Ross Nicoll
2014-08-19 23:39 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-19 23:54 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-08-19 23:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-08-20 0:16 ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20 0:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-08-20 0:41 ` Peter Todd [this message]
2014-08-20 0:59 ` William Yager
2014-08-20 1:14 ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20 1:19 ` William Yager
2014-08-20 1:27 ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20 0:49 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-20 0:57 ` Peter Todd
2014-08-23 16:17 ` xor
2014-08-23 16:50 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-23 17:50 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-08-23 18:22 ` William Yager
2014-08-23 18:44 ` Mike Hearn
2014-08-23 19:02 ` Luke Dashjr
2014-08-23 22:51 ` Peter Todd
[not found] <c45a638f1e1640fe84bef01d12cda4c3@hotmail.com>
2014-08-20 3:23 ` Un Ix
2014-08-20 5:40 ` Cameron Garnham
2014-08-20 14:37 ` Mike Hearn
2014-08-23 6:39 ` Troy Benjegerdes
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