Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Consensus Cleanup BIP draft

From: /dev /fd0 <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 10:54:45 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Chris,

I agree with separation.

Also I need more details as some of them could be CIA proxy and introduce 
another bug. Any change in consensus code need more discussion.

/dev/fd0
floppy disk guy 

On Thursday, March 27, 2025 at 5:49:30 PM UTC+5:30 Chris Stewart wrote:

> Hi Antoine, 
>
> First off, concept ACK. My concerns are procedural rather than objections 
> to the individual security fixes themselves.
>
> The "Great Consensus Cleanup" is a fantastic brand for communicating these 
> protocol changes to non-technical users. However, since this is a technical 
> forum and we are producing BIPs intended for technical audiences, I believe 
> we should document these changes in separate BIPs.
>
> The proposed security fixes are largely unrelated from a technical 
> standpoint:
>
>    1. 
>    
>    Timewarp attack mitigation
>    2. 
>    
>    Worst-case block validation constraints
>    3. 
>    
>    Disallowing 64-byte transactions
>    4. 
>    
>    Avoiding duplicate transactions
>    
> We should absolutely retain the "Great Consensus Cleanup" branding while 
> independently documenting each security enhancement.
>
> A common concern I’ve heard about splitting this BIP is that deploying 
> soft forks is difficult, so all changes should be bundled together. While 
> soft fork deployment is indeed challenging, we've successfully activated 
> multiple BIPs within a single soft fork in the past—e.g., BIP141 and BIP143 
> in Segwit, as well as BIP341, BIP342, and BIP343 in Taproot. If the 
> community reaches consensus, we can still deploy all these changes 
> together, even if they are documented separately.
>
> This approach also provides flexibility: if one of the proposed changes 
> turns out to be controversial, we could remove it without holding up the 
> rest of the improvements. Additionally, once these fixes are deployed, 
> there will likely be significant research and documentation to incorporate, 
> and maintaining independent BIPs will make it easier to manage that growth.
>
> I do see merit in implementing all the security fixes in a single PR for 
> Bitcoin Core. More active contributors to the project may have stronger 
> opinions on the best approach there.
>
> -Chris 
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:23 PM 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development 
> Mailing List <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> About two months ago i shared an update on this list about my (and 
>> others', really) work on the
>> Consensus Cleanup [0]. I am now ready to share a BIP draft for a 
>> Consensus Cleanup soft fork.
>>
>> The BIP draft can be found here: 
>> https://github.com/darosior/bips/blob/consensus_cleanup/bip-cc.md
>>
>> It includes the following fixes:
>> - a restriction on the timestamp of the first and last blocks of a 
>> difficulty adjustment period to
>>   address the Timewarp and Murch-Zawy attacks;
>> - a limit on the number of legacy signature operations that may be 
>> executed in validating a single
>>   transaction to address long block validation times;
>> - making 64 bytes transactions invalid to address weaknesses in the block 
>> Merkle tree construction;
>> - mandating coinbase transactions be timelocked to their block height to 
>> prevent future transaction
>>   duplication without resorting to BIP30 validation.
>>
>> This BIP draws on the 2019 Great Consensus Cleanup proposal from Matt 
>> Corallo [1]. A number of
>> people contributed ideas, testing, data or useful discussions. This 
>> includes Ava Chow, Matt Corallo,
>> Mark Erhardt, Brian Groll, David A. Harding, Sjors Provoost, Anthony 
>> Towns, Greg Sanders, Chris
>> Stewart, Eric Voskuil, @0xb10c and others.
>>
>> Antoine Poinsot
>>
>> [0] 
>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/jiyMlvTX8BnG71f75SqChQZxyhZDQ65kldcugeIDJVJsvK4hadCO3GT46xFc7_cUlWdmOCG0B_WIz0HAO5ZugqYTuX5qxnNLRBn3MopuATI=@protonmail.com
>> [1] 
>> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bips/blob/7f9670b643b7c943a0cc6d2197d3eabe661050c2/bip-XXXX.mediawiki
>>
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